The Effects of E85: Parts Test
04-29-2010, 12:55 PM
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Re: The Effects of E85: Parts Test
i disagree, ive never heard or seen anyone "lose" injectors or pumps due to e85, or e98...including myself. sometimes people blame one thing just due to the fact that its different, when its actually something else that caused it. out of the 4 years ive delt with ethanol, ive never had any parts fail due to it, let alone any parts fail....besides dropping a valve once. haha. but i highly doubt thats because of running ethanol. lol.
methanol on the other hand...
methanol on the other hand...
04-29-2010, 02:04 PM
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Re: The Effects of E85: Parts Test
i still think your over-exagerating the affects of ethanol. if you can even say it is affecting anything, well short term for now, because it is so minimal.
another thing. since ethanol ruins motors, no one can even run regular gas in their cars anymore either since they contain 10% ethanol. what are we gonna do...?
04-29-2010, 03:13 PM
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Re: The Effects of E85: Parts Test
I took the initiative today to go out in the garage and drop my tank to take some pictures, I did not just drop it for this thread I have to sump it anyway.
Here are the facts of my tank...
1. It has been soaking in 8gal of E85 since OCTOBER 2008, THE CAR HAS NOT BEEN STARTED SINCE DECEMBER 08!
2. My feed line was capped under the car right after the filter, so it has been full of Ethanol as well for about 1.5yrs.
3. The Walbro has been in the car since the day I started using E85, summer of 2007...
On to the pictures, I took them with my phone but if anyone requests I will take better pics with a real camera....
If you cant see the pics, the inside of the tank is MINT!
The pump hanger (which I might add has some exposed metal from grinding on it to fit a weld bung) is MINT!
Walbro 255hp.... MINT!
Inside of Russell Fuel Filter.... Hint of white residue, but otherwise MINT!
Here are the facts of my tank...
1. It has been soaking in 8gal of E85 since OCTOBER 2008, THE CAR HAS NOT BEEN STARTED SINCE DECEMBER 08!
2. My feed line was capped under the car right after the filter, so it has been full of Ethanol as well for about 1.5yrs.
3. The Walbro has been in the car since the day I started using E85, summer of 2007...
On to the pictures, I took them with my phone but if anyone requests I will take better pics with a real camera....
If you cant see the pics, the inside of the tank is MINT!
The pump hanger (which I might add has some exposed metal from grinding on it to fit a weld bung) is MINT!
Walbro 255hp.... MINT!
Inside of Russell Fuel Filter.... Hint of white residue, but otherwise MINT!
04-29-2010, 03:17 PM
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Re: The Effects of E85: Parts Test
drop a valve have to blame it on e85 since it was just on gas lol had to be the e85 man
to all those who wanna blame everything on e85 i have 3 words for ya
just run gas
to all those who wanna blame everything on e85 i have 3 words for ya
just run gas
04-29-2010, 03:40 PM
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04-29-2010, 05:17 PM
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Re: The Effects of E85: Parts Test
no set point, depends on the Injectors, what dyno type etc... i will say 500 to be safe, maybe 550 with a big set of injectors.... just take whatever something can make on gas and subtract 25-30% and that puts you in the ballpark.
04-29-2010, 05:23 PM
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Re: The Effects of E85: Parts Test
Just use a Walbro 255 intank to feed the 044, its a proven combo... especially if your trying to run a high base pressure with a set of ID Injectors.
04-29-2010, 05:32 PM
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Re: The Effects of E85: Parts Test
The MSD Pump is probably a variant of the Walbro.... not sure though.
My old setup was a 255hp intank to a 255hp inline, this was before the 044 was popular and if I was to do it again the 044 would be in place of the 255 inline, especially when an 044 is only like $75 more than the inline 255.
My old setup was a 255hp intank to a 255hp inline, this was before the 044 was popular and if I was to do it again the 044 would be in place of the 255 inline, especially when an 044 is only like $75 more than the inline 255.
04-29-2010, 05:36 PM
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The MSD Pump is probably a variant of the Walbro.... not sure though.
My old setup was a 255hp intank to a 255hp inline, this was before the 044 was popular and if I was to do it again the 044 would be in place of the 255 inline, especially when an 044 is only like $75 more than the inline 255.
My old setup was a 255hp intank to a 255hp inline, this was before the 044 was popular and if I was to do it again the 044 would be in place of the 255 inline, especially when an 044 is only like $75 more than the inline 255.
04-29-2010, 05:37 PM
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Re: The Effects of E85: Parts Test
Thanks for the post man. So you've seen no negatives with the E85 sitting/running that long? Have you looked at your injectors yet?
04-29-2010, 05:50 PM
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Re: The Effects of E85: Parts Test
Nope, but I let my friend use my RC1000's before I ever used them... he put 15k on them strictly with E85 and when I finally got them back I sent them out to be cleaned and flowed before I used them and they were still clean and they all flowed 1000cc except for one that flowed 990cc lol
Sold the Injectors a year ago and they are still going on someone else's car....
Sold the Injectors a year ago and they are still going on someone else's car....
04-29-2010, 05:52 PM
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Re: The Effects of E85: Parts Test
Weld a bung to the barb... you dont really need upgraded lines my friend made 595whp with all OEM lines on E85 and he had room left.
04-29-2010, 06:44 PM
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Re: The Effects of E85: Parts Test
im just confused as to why people think 85% alcohal will cause any issues i mean 85%alcohal and 15% gas well we know what gas does, and we know alcohal evaporates lol.
i can tell you a negative affect it had on my car well it use to run hot,but with the e85 it doesnt even hit 180 degrees now. Oh wait that isnt to negative is it lol.
what I like about the e85 also is that in the Army we use alcohal as an additive to the gasoline engines we run in Iraq to keep the water content out of it, and since e85 is mostly alcohal well there isnt any worries about condensation building up in the system.
i can tell you a negative affect it had on my car well it use to run hot,but with the e85 it doesnt even hit 180 degrees now. Oh wait that isnt to negative is it lol.
what I like about the e85 also is that in the Army we use alcohal as an additive to the gasoline engines we run in Iraq to keep the water content out of it, and since e85 is mostly alcohal well there isnt any worries about condensation building up in the system.
05-01-2010, 08:54 AM
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Re: The Effects of E85: Parts Test
Shouldn't common sense prevail and you possibly accept the fact that E85 isn't the issue and that some other factor is involved? I've seen people on all motor forums quoting the damage you've attributed to E85 far and wide. You've potentially influenced countless people in continuing the spread of false information that lacks basis and support in numbers.
I think that instead of remaining invested in this claim that E85 is the devil, that you should investigate the issue further.
My Delsol sat for 1 year with E85 in the tank. I pulled the pump before getting the car back on the road, partially because of things I'd read that you said. Like shown above, my tank was flawless. Nothing wrong whatsoever. Pump worked fine, no leaks, injectors worked fine. Over three years of running E85 and no issues. How do you explain that?
05-01-2010, 02:49 PM
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Re: The Effects of E85: Parts Test
Chalky white power is a sign of corrosion, I believe. Like Rust is a sign of oxidizing aka corrosion of metals. A clean fuel tank? Did it look clean when it was just Gasoline? Probably not so there's where we get clogging of the fuel filter.
The only way ethanol is going to kill your motor is if you run lean and blow something. At least that's the first problem that's likely to happen.
Don't count on the parts doing anything in the E85 tub it'll take years for any sign of failure. The corrosion on the other hand should be quicker to show but last to do anything. Rust takes years.
The only way ethanol is going to kill your motor is if you run lean and blow something. At least that's the first problem that's likely to happen.
Don't count on the parts doing anything in the E85 tub it'll take years for any sign of failure. The corrosion on the other hand should be quicker to show but last to do anything. Rust takes years.
