I have a 01 ITR and im thinking about some some NOS for some quick HP. Wondering about just plan ole ideas comments and ups and downs. Talking to a friends he said that everything you shoot its like 1000 miles added to your engine. If you guys suggest it waht do you think would be the best system to go with. I've been reading abouit the Zex system and that sounds most promising. Thanks in advance.
George

 

if you have to ask then dont, meaning you dont know enough about nos to use it.. ITRs are really not the engine to spray on cause of high compression ratio... i hope that will get you away from 'nos'

 

i saved this from the informative gentleman that replied when i asked the same question...i think it was itr779


[Modified by Toda Party, 10:48 AM 11/15/2001]

 

dont listen to him , he prob never used it , just too scraed too because of the same myths you heard.
yes n20 can be bad if you dont do it right,
i have a dry system on mine and have problems with fuel dist, thats why im going direct port now
i know many people who have direct port and spraying 100 shots on their r and are fine for at least 2 yrs now. just do it right and dyno it to make sure and you eill be more than fine. . . dont belive that compression **** either. yes it does have higher compression , but there are cars higher than ourds that are spraying . what kind of compression do you think those pro guys are running . ?
just out of curiosity?

 

cool, i never knew it was a myth that n2o was bad for you engines. it can be safe but if your not dragging for money, your playing russian routlet (sp?) true or not?

 

There's a big difference. 'Pro' means a completely built motor, and race gas.
Not a production motor on 92-93 with knoctane booster.



[Modified by sackdz, 11:10 AM 11/15/2001]

 

ZEX in the back seat!
does that sound good?

spray a 55 shot good for 13's

 

Notice the 8 (at least) points in the third post that need to be followed to be able to run Nitrous. That means it's not safe. Use common sense. If it were safe and cool, for $500 Everyone woud have it. Then again there are things you have to consider when installing other performance mods (headers exhaust) to keep it safe too...Oh wait no their isn't.

 

Yes, NOS is safe, if done right! Done right means lots of $$ has to be spent to protect all the expensive bits inside your motor.

I think a better ? is, is NOS practical for an ITR, in a word, NO.

Tom

 

i agree, which is why i didnt get it...

 

This is a great response, nonetheless...

[QUOTE]i saved this from the informative gentleman that replied when i asked the same question...i think it was itr779

Don't listen to him That is an uninformed opinion. Really if you have the proper fuel setup and spark a small shot of juice won't hurt.It's really no different than other types of FI.Nitrous itself is 2 parts oxygen and 1 part nitrogen. The nitrogen is added as an ingredient to break up the air molecules and cool the air as pure oxygen would lead to an unavoidable lean condition. There are some things you MUST do to stay out of the danger zone. (running too much nitrous and not enough fuel) Here are the basic rules.

1. Fuel pressure must be steady and consistent. It is recommended to upgrade to a more capable fuel pump, regulator, and guage to measure your fuel pressure.The other part of fuel pressure that alot of guys forget is injector pulse width.You can tackle this by either a) increasing the injector size, thereby increasing the maximum output, or b) go with a smart system like venom that keeps tabs on the pulse width to match the amount of nitrous injected. Zex does similar things also.This is not that different than supercharging or turbo. With nitrous you are feeding the engine oxygen that it needs to create horsepower. In addition you must also feed the engine fuel. Higher octane fuel is recommended. If you can get 93 or 94 add a couple bottles of booster too. It cant hurt.Remember that you make the most power when you are on the verge of leaning out. Running too rich can cause problems with your o2 sensors, spark plugs, catalytic converter and ultimately your exhaust valves. 10 psi more fuel pressure is recommended but only when you are boosting.If you want to play it safe. You will definately feel a huge hp and torque benefit by running a smaller shot. Even 20 hp 20 tq will be enough to make a world of difference. I am very conservative. I don't plan on boosting on the street beyond the odd occasion. (say a nighttime drag race on an old back road which happens now and then but not often.) 20 hp and 20 tq will give you an additional edge.For the track and for running the best times your car is capable of, well that is a different story. I still wouldn't run more than a 50 shot.

2. Spark: To get a proper burn you will need to have enough spark. Common sense isn't it? Upgrade your ignition system and you wont have to worry too much about the additional fuel you are dumping. (within reason)

3. TemperatureNitrous operates optimally at certain temperatures. You should have a temperature guage on your bottle so that you can verify that it is safe to go.

4. PurgeIt is safer if you purge before and after your nitrous run.This will prevent nitrous getting stuck in the lines.

5. Turn your bottle on, only when you are going to use it.I've seen motors blow sky high becuase there was a leaky valve and it was leaking nitrous into the intake manifold the whole time someone was waiting in line to do a run. When they turned their car on they got about half a bottle of nitrous all at once built up in their motor. Better to go zoom zoom then boom boom as they say.

6. Common sense. Don't boost for periods longer than 12-13 seconds at a time.Dont boost in first gear as the rpms climb to quick and you could easily peg your rev limiter. Dont boost on the street. Dont screw around with your shot size once you have it optimized. Dont crave. Dont be greedy. Dont leave your bottle in your car if it is filled and drive around town with it. Dont forget to turn off your bottle warmer. Treat nitrous with respect and you will earn dividends. Mistreat it and you may pay the consequences.

7. If you are not an expert, hire one to manage your setup.Over and out.

8. Oh and one more thing. Stay away from superhonda.org nitrous forum.A real bunch of no nothings in there for the most part.


And i'd stay away from superhonda altogether!

 

NOS n2o, Nitrous, whatever you want to call it is completely safe. It's dumb ******* that their friend's friend's mother's brother's cousin blew his motor that's gives nitrous a bad name. As long as it is installed correctly and you are running enough fuel, you have nothing to worry about. I've been running an NOS kit on my 01 Type R for 17,000 miles now and have been through probably 5 or 6 bottles. Granted, I'm only running a 50 shot, but still 50 shot makes me faster than those who are downing Nitrous and are running a 0 shot. I've taken VERY good care of my motor by changing plugs when necessary, getting on the dyno many times and tune air/fuel ratio just to make sure I'm not leaning out. I agree, the ITR was not made for Nitrous, but neither was any car. High compression motors LOVE nitrous, but the tranny does not, very similar to the Celica GTS. I'll rant my *** off about how good my car runs and I'll be sure to post the pics when I blow my motor too, but still I've seen ITRs run low times with Nitrous and I've seen ITRs run low times NA. It's a matter of opinion and what your gut is telling you to do. I've seen cars run for 100K on Nitrous, but I've seen my friend, who was running an 80 shot wet kit miss a shift and bend 10 valves on his 01 ITR. As I said, it's a matter of opinion. Those who talk down about Nitrous have probably never used it. I, myself have used Nitrous on both cars I've owned. I've used ZEX, NX and NOS and have seen both the ZEX kit and NOS kit used on a Type R. I would personally recommend NOS cause their kit is WET which is a lot safer than ZEX, plus with the new ZEX systems, the boxes have never worked right. The older ZEX systems work great, but when the solonoids go bad, you have to order an entire new kit which sucks. Whatever you do, good luck.

RealTypeR - 227 WHP, 188 ft/lb torque on the bottle, wanna play?

 

nitrous can be safe..in very small amounts..but dramatically decreases the life of your engine..instant 20hp at the push of a button..puts the engine through alot of shock..wears out wrist pins, bearings...so even if it isnt enough to blow your motor
the small shots still do damage..but..as long as you have fun..who cares..thats what this is all about..

 

Fo reel, it's not like we all have to make our cars last forever. Just make sure that it lasts long enough that it's still "fun" to buy a new motor/car/setup when it's that time. (Could be a long time).

 

Sure it can be safe. I've known people who've run it on their mustangs for years.

But just like a supercharger, it wears out a engine twice as quick, nitrous isn't good for its longevity, and a ITR engine isn't cheap.

 

Thanks guys. Its just i want some boost. I dont mind spenind the extra money, just my firend had a turbo in his R and he blow his Engine 4 times. And i just dont wnat to deal with the hassels of rebuilding due to the fact that this is my daily driver. I heard JR Supercharges are no good either, belt breaks and so on. So im really torn right now. Just want to be those damn domestic bullies. Maybe ill just go buy a motorcycle.

 

Previous owner ran a 50 shot with an aftermarket fuel setup. My rings were weakened and the tops of the pistons were nice and crispy. So even though it may be safe for awhile, your just making your motor less reliable down the road.

 

again its all about doing it right, if the fuels there. . . . and your not detonating your fine , yea im sure eventually it willl takes its effect,
but if you beat on your car na its just as bad, ,, true or false., . .
it depends if you do it smart.

 

BINGO, we have a winner - good fuel = good running car. Ride in VTEC at 130 or 140 mph for a long period of time and tell me that's not good for your motor....I tried to blow up a 93 honda civic hb dx motor on a 75 shot. 20 bottles strong and eventually swapped the motor cause the **** was still slow. It's all about taking care of your car. Unless you drive like my grandma, you are going to put wear on your motor.

 

did you see fast and the furious?

 

yea i set up my bottle and tried to hit it with my .45 to see if it really blows up but my aim is bad so i couldnt ver if that was true.
hahahahaha

 

Ride in VTEC at 130 or 140 mph for a long period of time and tell me that's not good for your motor....



apples and oranges...look at a dyno plot when vtec hits...now look at the dyno plot when nitrous hits....now talk about shock...ouch....i heard the zex one apllies it gradually..but never heard of anyone using it..



[Modified by EPGONZALEZ, 11:46 AM 11/16/2001]

 

High compression is something to worry about if you are going to use a turbo or a blower. High compression doesnt affect nitrous as many people think it does. An example would be a friend of mine. He has an old 60's camaro that is built for the 1/8th mile. That car has a compression ratio of 16:1, it also has a 2 stage nitrous setup. The first stage is 250 and the second 350. The only thing you should worry about with nitrous is having an adequate fuel system, and not bouncing the rev-limiter.

 

thank you , , , ,you are a good man, i knew someone else out there knew the falsifications of the myth with high compression and nos.........
now turbo is a different story. . . . 8lbs of boost on a stock internal r is about the most safely before she blows.

 

yeah its safe ,i use one in my b18c5 whit msd (very important if you higher then 60 shot)dont go dry youl be lean cuz your injector are at max at 200whp use a wet kit direct port or single fogger that what i use
now im 100 shot 46nos 30 fuel thats whit msd dont try this setup whit no msd cuz youl detonate ,whit no msd you can go up to 60 shot safely38 nos 24fuel
my fuel pump(itr) is stock but if you go 100 shot and up you shoud get hight flow pump, my timing is stock but whit no msd you need to retard a bit at 60 shot
msd and nos work perfectly its a must