<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 91civicDXdude &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i'd have to say that the quality of the work is great, but the functionality (read: efficiency) of such a manifold is questionable</TD></TR></TABLE>

well, if it were me. i would have the manifold and turbine housing ceramic coated. that would help retain some heat

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Drag-Accord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

When it comes to turbos there is no replacement for quality. Those XSPower turbos are made up of junk Garret parts that didn't pass inspection. Why do you think their so cheap?? The wastegate is one thing, but you can't skimp on the turbo. Especially if you want to make power and have it last. just my .02</TD></TR></TABLE>
i've had problems with both the wastegates and the turbos.just because the wastegate is an exact copy of the Tial doesn't mean it's equal quality.the quality of the materials used and tolerances make a HUGE difference.
Chris

 

If you weld aluminum all day for a living i would expect you to know the importance of cleaning the materials before welding them..Its such a small step that really speaks for itself in the end result.

A 4-2-1 design that merges the 1-4 and 2-3 cylinders would have been better

 

all joints were preped with acetone before welding the darkness on some of the welds is just frtom the metal still being hot after the torch passed this is commen with thinwalled stainless its of little concern because any pipe fitter will tell you its the inside of the pipe that matters the welds on this are FULLY penetrated and suported from inside with an argon purge unlike most of the manifolds i see being sold

 

^ pm'd you

 

XSpower turbo... yikes! I hear those are same as Turbo ZY

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Drag-Accord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That manifold is sick!!! </TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm not dissing anybody, but i'm extremely curious as of why you though so.
Is it because of the design? the appearance? the craftmanship? Please elaborate on exactly why you thought the manifold was "sick".

 

Just the shear cosmetics of it. Nothing to do with functionality or efficiencey of the manifold. In my opinion i really like the way that it looks. That is all

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by backpurge &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Agreed. If you were humble about it I'd just say nice setup. But to strike your ego down to the ground...

1. XSPower turbo
2. Slow down, some spots got very little argon coverage because you were rushing the welds
3. Have fun routing vacuum lines within 1-2 inches of the primaries for the wastegate
4. Exhaust gas energy (read: heat) spools a turbo, you could have cut down on lag by using shorter primaries (they're not anywhere near equal length so 40' long runners are pointless) since they are towards the front of the car and are going to be cooled down from the air going through the radiator
5. Rubber oil drain hose within a couple inches of the exhaust
6. Do some prep work before welding
7. Nice '********' on some of your stops, ease off the pedal/add some filler</TD></TR></TABLE>

Actully we have seen a decrese in spool time and boost recovery by running a tuned runner length. 40" runners are not pointless depending on the application

everything else i agree with though but a pretty cool idea this guy had

 

as stated before i would have joined the 1-4 and 2-3. i believe there would be more of a gain. Overall i like it, except for the joining at the bottom of the bends. get to a dyno and lets see the power

 

1-2 and 3-4 might make a more powerfull exhause pulse because it groups the pulses closer together might have a similar effect as a divided turbine housing i wont know till i get it on the dyno and that wont be for a little bit

 

FOR SUPER NICE LOOKING WORK

 

looks very good for your first manifold, let alone a top mount turbo manifold. if anything , it was a good learning experience. as for the cheap turbo and wg, not every one has the money to drop down for a nice turbo, sometime it's better to spend a little and enjoy it now than to wait for a year to save up, even though you might have to spend a little more down the road. and it's not like it's going to be in a race car and everything needs to be top notch.

btw, when are you going to make an aluminum exhaust for my evo, and hurry up with my mainfold, just kidding.

 

cool..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by openloop &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">1-2 and 3-4 might make a more powerfull exhause pulse because it groups the pulses closer together might have a similar effect as a divided turbine housing i wont know till i get it on the dyno and that wont be for a little bit</TD></TR></TABLE>

wouldn't you want 1/4 and 2/3 joined if you wanted a more powerful pulse because of the way our motors worked?
i'm thinking in terms of sound waves, amplitudes and such..


Modified by SHystrdyGSRtdy at 6:24 PM 7/2/2005

 

1/4 and 2/3 accually keeps the pulses and flow separated and equally divided which is good for a n/a motor in terms of scavenging but in grouping the pipes 1/2 and 3/4 i pair pulses and flows closer together hopefully enacting more force on the wheel but sacraficing slightly on scavenging but we wont know till i get it all on the car and on the rollers and compare manifold pressures to determine the setups true efficiency

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rice4life &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> as for the cheap turbo and wg, not every one has the money to drop down for a nice turbo, sometime it's better to spend a little and enjoy it now than to wait for a year to save up</TD></TR></TABLE>

yeah untill that garbage wastegate diaphram rips apart and you horribly overboost your motor ruining your entire setup.

i now think there isnt a single thing i would buy from that horrid company.

http://www.homemadeturbo.com/f...880.0

http://www.homemadeturbo.com/f...537.0

http://www.homemadeturbo.com/f...307.0

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JCushing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah untill that garbage wastegate diaphram rips apart and you horribly overboost your motor ruining your entire setup.</TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if this doesnt persuade u to never buy ssautoshit , then **** you.</TD></TR></TABLE>

hahaha...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JCushing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeah untill that garbage wastegate diaphram rips apart and you horribly overboost your motor ruining your entire setup.

i now think there isnt a single thing i would buy from that horrid company.</TD></TR></TABLE>

if it's been proven multiple time to fail and cause serious engine damage, then i wouldn't use it either no matter how cheap it is.

 

it's ok...... good job.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by openloop &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">1/4 and 2/3 accually keeps the pulses and flow separated and equally divided which is good for a n/a motor in terms of scavenging but in grouping the pipes 1/2 and 3/4 i pair pulses and flows closer together hopefully enacting more force on the wheel but sacraficing slightly on scavenging but we wont know till i get it all on the car and on the rollers and compare manifold pressures to determine the setups true efficiency</TD></TR></TABLE>

Is that not the longest run-on sentence known to man or what?

 

Jesus. After 10 minutes on my broadband connection I just gave up.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by beepy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Jesus. After 10 minutes on my broadband connection I just gave up. </TD></TR></TABLE>

No **** me too...

I figure that's way too long to spend just to see some gigantic pictures of a manifold.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Casey@Burns &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Actully we have seen a decrese in spool time and boost recovery by running a tuned runner length. </TD></TR></TABLE>

And that is why you guys spend thousands of dollars in R/D...... so we can find out about it a few months or a year out, and copy it EXACTLY

 

why would you **** around with something as important as a wastegate?? I can understand the turbo sucking because if it goes out or does'nt produce power all you do is swap it out and retune. If your wastegate goes out and clamps shut it's buh bye motor. It looks like a giant heater and I bet it weighs like 500 lbs. other than that put it in a glass case and resize your pictures