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Old May 8, 2005 | 07:18 PM
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maybe you should try a composite block i wonder why it's not being tried? they always rant and rave about the strenght of carbon fiber, i wonder if it would work for an engine block. i know it can with stand heat because that's what they use for F-1 brakes. maybe do that with ductile iron sleeves and have a support system for the bearings and sleeves cast in the carbon fiber. that would be ******* sweet.
Old May 8, 2005 | 07:32 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by baseballinmyass &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">maybe you should try a composite block i wonder why it's not being tried? they always rant and rave about the strenght of carbon fiber, i wonder if it would work for an engine block. i know it can with stand heat because that's what they use for F-1 brakes. maybe do that with ductile iron sleeves and have a support system for the bearings and sleeves cast in the carbon fiber. that would be ******* sweet.</TD></TR></TABLE>

It'd be cheaper to machine it from a solid block than making such a complex carbon fiber mold.
Old May 8, 2005 | 07:42 PM
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then would i be possible to make a big chunk of carbon fiber or would it not be as stong? or maybe some other composite?
Old May 8, 2005 | 07:50 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by baseballinmyass &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">then would i be possible to make a big chunk of carbon fiber or would it not be as stong? or maybe some other composite?</TD></TR></TABLE>

The new trend! Billet carbon fiber powerbands! Stronger and lighter than those whack *** titanium powerbands! With the billet CF powerband, you'll be hittin' vtech like a sorority girl with low self esteem!

BTW- CF can't me machined from billet. lol...
Old May 8, 2005 | 10:16 PM
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a group of people here at my school are working on a machineable ceramic material. Would be ideal if they could get it to work in engine blocks and other engine materials. That way you could give a **** about detonation, with all that crazy heat exchange. Will be interesting to see in the next few years.
Old May 9, 2005 | 07:04 AM
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yes that is what i was wondering if there some kind of composite material that could be used as an engine block. the aprilla cube sport bike uses plastic for their engine block and i saw an engine block that was made out of plastic that was used for demonstrational purposes. maybe it would be easier or cheaper or both to build this engine.**** anyways it's worth a try no matter what material is used.
Old May 9, 2005 | 07:10 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Loco Honkey &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

The new trend! Billet carbon fiber powerbands! Stronger and lighter than those whack *** titanium powerbands! With the billet CF powerband, you'll be hittin' vtech like a sorority girl with low self esteem!

BTW- CF can't me machined from billet. lol... </TD></TR></TABLE>

yes i understand how the cosmetic fiberglass matte carbon fiber acts, i was wondering if there was another type of composite like kevlar or something that could be used in this process. someting like the brake rotors in a F-1 car, you know how it is a pressed disk not like how per se;l a hood is formed?
Old May 9, 2005 | 08:56 AM
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w0rst idea evar.

Lol, why dont you just sell your soul for a 911 Turbo? Either would make you extremely broke, except with the honda you would own a shitty *** loud civic with terrible reliability and the only ability being straight line acceleration and "impressing people by popping your hood and suprising them"

Dont spend every cent you will ever see on something so you can impress people by popping your hood.
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I think the real question here is why the hell have we spent nine pages on this drivel?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by baseballinmyass &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yes that is what i was wondering if there some kind of composite material that could be used as an engine block. the aprilla cube sport bike uses plastic for their engine block and i saw an engine block that was made out of plastic that was used for demonstrational purposes. maybe it would be easier or cheaper or both to build this engine.**** anyways it's worth a try no matter what material is used.</TD></TR></TABLE>One issue to consider is heat expansion properties. If you build with several different materials with varied heat expansion properties the parts that expand at a higher rate may cause that part to break (by being squeezed bu whatever it is mounted to) or the part it is connected to will break. Either way that also has to be considered when looking at alternative materials for projects like this. I like the ceramic idea. Ceramics have some pretty insane traits. If they could machine a cermaic that would be great for this use. The space shuttle is coated in a very high-tech ceramic. It's scratch-proof and can sure handle the heat of a motor if it can re-enter the atmosphere without disintigrating... Oh BTW the block would be forged aluminum, then machined.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HondaFanatic708 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Oh BTW the block would be forged aluminum, then machined. </TD></TR></TABLE>

How would you forge the block prior to machining? Any custom race block I've seen is machined from a solid piece of metal.

Oh, and are we ever going to see any progress on this crazy engine, or is this all just a bunch of hot air being blown around? That's what it seems like
Old May 9, 2005 | 03:38 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Canuk_SiR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Oh, and are we ever going to see any progress on this crazy engine, or is this all just a bunch of hot air being blown around? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Is there any question that it will ever be more than a bunch of hot air? I mean, the fact alone that he doesn't understand the very basics of materials and processes (forged aluminum remark) should lend some credibility to his mediocrity.
Old May 9, 2005 | 06:20 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Canuk_SiR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

How would you forge the block prior to machining? Any custom race block I've seen is machined from a solid piece of metal.

Oh, and are we ever going to see any progress on this crazy engine, or is this all just a bunch of hot air being blown around? That's what it seems like</TD></TR></TABLE>

the solid peice of metal is forged, then machined.
Old May 9, 2005 | 07:01 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by snoochtodanooch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

the solid peice of metal is forged, then machined. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Forge (v.) 1 a : to form (as metal) by heating and hammering b : to form (metal) by a mechanical or hydraulic press with or without heat

Do you guys know what your talking about?

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by www.cnblocks.com &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The CN aluminum blocks are made from forged billets so they are stronger than cast aluminum blocks. The tensile strength of a CN forged billet block is over 36% higher than a 356 cast aluminum block. The yield strength of our block is over 66% greater than cast blocks.</TD></TR></TABLE>

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How would you forge the block prior to machining? Any custom race block I've seen is machined from a solid piece of metal.

Oh, and are we ever going to see any progress on this crazy engine, or is this all just a bunch of hot air being blown around? That's what it seems like</TD></TR></TABLE>

If you look at how metal is forged, forging can occur before machining. Its rather simple actually. Metal pressurized to the extreme under heat. goto http://www.cnblocks.com .
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Loco Honkey &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Is there any question that it will ever be more than a bunch of hot air? I mean, the fact alone that he doesn't understand the very basics of materials and processes (forged aluminum remark) should lend some credibility to his mediocrity.</TD></TR></TABLE>


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Loco Honkey &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Quote, originally posted by HondaFanatic708 »
"But honestly, did you read all 230+ posts? I don't think so."

I did. That makes me a HT Certified Thread Critiquer.</TD></TR></TABLE>

If you did you would have seen the post with the link to the cnblocks website like snoochtodanooch said. You have no idea what the **** your talking about.

Back in the renaissance a sword was forged with hamering and fire. Now technology rules. Hydraulics hammer the basic shape. Everything is machined from there. It's a stronger metal by far. There is a property called malleability..

We just wont talk about your fallacy being your mediocrity my friend. Know what your talking about when you talk ****. Don't just talk **** and try to make personal remarks if you yourself have no idea what the **** your talking about. Happy tuning!
Old May 9, 2005 | 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by RTErnie
A cast iron block would be much easier than sleeving an aluminum block....however...a sleeved aluminum block would be lighter. I'd take yourself a huge hunk of iron and start machining the shape. Take s2000 or B series water pumps and oil pumps and see what kind of machining you need to do to teh block. Organize your timing belt. You may need to machine new cam gears to match the different teeth on teh timing belt depending on which water pump/oil pump combo you go with. You might think about taking a 1.8L crank to scallies(sp?) and have them add another rod journal next to the stock location and then center them. This way your heads would be offset an inch or so. Some of the old school v8's did this(dont remember what its called exactly or who did it...but I remember seeing it) Scallies crank will cost you an easy 1500 dollars. Get your block of iron and chuck it up in the cnc mill after you write you program in AutoCad 2004. But that still doesn't take care of the coolant ports... You may have to get it casted, or.... switch to a sleeved design..in aluminum. which the sleeves would help create a nice coolant jacket around the cylinders. you could drill most of the oil passages.

I'd say start with drawings. You're going to need to have the crank made....and maybe a cast block. If I were you I would make a dummy block out of aluminum. machine it so you have the correct bore, the deck height you desire. Then bolt the heads on so they are slightly offset(the same offset as the width of the end of the rod that attaches to the crank), and start looking at the timing belt situation. You'll need an oil pump, water pump, tensioner, and idler pulley. I would try to stick to B series components, as to try to keep the same timing belt (teeth per inch) or whatever the hell they rate them by....AND WIDTH. You'll prolly need to put an idle in between and below the heads to make sure that the cam gears get at least 90 degrees of traction on the belt. Dont forget that you shifted one of your heads in order to offset the rods... you'll need to extend this cam gear so that it is inline with the cranks(custom cams???) Once you have your custom timing belt made and it tensions correctly...machine hte back end of the block so that the tranny will bolt up to it. Mock everything up on this aluminum dummy block...get all of your programs written so that you can have a perfect setup when your real block is started. Send your crank out to be made. machine your mains, set the crank in, and machine your block. figure out your bore size.... send it off to benson or GE and have it custom sleeved. Have your own set of rods made(custom length B series rods) and run whatever bore pistons you want. and remember..you can still use oem honda bearings.

thats about all teh imagination my mind can take tonight... peace out girl scout.


Thanks man I appreciate your input. But you can see what the power of a forged alum. is correct? The whole idea I had, just like you said, was to attempt to have as many OE parts as possible. Honestly what I may do first is a TL V6 in a civic first. To see how the suspension sould have to be setup, how the chasis may have to be modified. Obviously tube frame for a V8 is the best idea. But you could take parts of a shell and weld them on a tube frame. It would have to have a new skin of some kind. That will be composites. Much higher spring rates. Maybe even a suspension swap. Have the front of the chassis have measurements similiar to the TL, just a little larger for the big block.

I have a ton of crazy ideas I'm sure a hundred plus people on this board would flame me for one if I was so feebleminded as to post my thoughts.
Old May 9, 2005 | 07:24 PM
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We just wont talk about your fallacy being your mediocrity my friend. </TD></TR></TABLE>

At least you're (ahem) consistent in that you front like you can engineer/build engines and use the English language effectively. If you don't know what a word means, don't try and use it to sound smart as you will end up looking far stupider...which at this point i thought would hard to pull off, but you did it

oh, and you're still a liar too
Old May 9, 2005 | 07:49 PM
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If you did you would have seen the post with the link to the cnblocks website like snoochtodanooch said. You have no idea what the **** your talking about.</TD></TR></TABLE>

What, and you do?
Old May 10, 2005 | 06:51 AM
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And I thought I had stupid ideas

it'd probably be cheaper and easier to build a completely new frame to fit a ls1, and then skin the civic panels over the frame, and then cut up some b series valve covers to fit over the top. Or just buy a used z06 and call it a day

I'll subscribe to the thread and check back in 10 years though. There's no reason you couldn't have finished it by then (you'll probably want your 10 years back though).
Old May 10, 2005 | 07:01 AM
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the best thing to do would be build an entire rolinc chaiiss that will fit the stance of a civic then cut the bottom of the civic body out and weld it to the chassis you buiilt.
Old May 10, 2005 | 08:41 AM
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Old May 10, 2005 | 10:47 AM
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This reminds me of the episode of Seinfeld where Jerry bets Kramer that he won't make levels in his appt. after Kramer says that all he really needs to make levels is some plywood and carpeting, and then Kramer later says the bet is off because he's not gonna do it. Just waiting for the I'm not gonna do it, not because I can't but because I just don't want to anymore.

All other aspects aside, a V8 at the correct angle to accommodate two B16 heads is going to be monstrous, way too large for a street frame EG.
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ummm yeah good luck
Old May 10, 2005 | 02:33 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by iheartmyceeareks &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This reminds me of the episode of Seinfeld where Jerry bets Kramer that he won't make levels in his appt. after Kramer says that all he really needs to make levels is some plywood and carpeting, and then Kramer later says the bet is off because he's not gonna do it. Just waiting for the I'm not gonna do it, not because I can't but because I just don't want to anymore.

All other aspects aside, a V8 at the correct angle to accommodate two B16 heads is going to be monstrous, way too large for a street frame EG.</TD></TR></TABLE>

just make it a boxer
Old May 10, 2005 | 06:20 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by I4sillypwr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thanks for helping me to start each day with a laugh buddy. </TD></TR></TABLE>
No problem my man, as long as you are enjoying life..

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What, and you do? </TD></TR></TABLE>Obviously a whole lot more than you do.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bailhatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

At least you're (ahem) consistent in that you front like you can engineer/build engines and use the English language effectively. If you don't know what a word means, don't try and use it to sound smart as you will end up looking far stupider...which at this point i thought would hard to pull off, but you did it

oh, and you're still a liar too </TD></TR></TABLE>

And your just like this other stupid ****. Get a life you mindless fool.

There will be several steps that occur before this V8 is produced. First a K-series swap in the EJ, then a TL 6spd, then from there the hardcore desing of this begins. Along the way I need to see how the chassis will have to be modified to handle the larger weights and HP numbers as the steps progress. Most likely the end result will be a tube frame skinned.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by iheartmyceeareks &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This reminds me of the episode of Seinfeld where Jerry bets Kramer that he won't make levels in his appt. after Kramer says that all he really needs to make levels is some plywood and carpeting, and then Kramer later says the bet is off because he's not gonna do it. Just waiting for the I'm not gonna do it, not because I can't but because I just don't want to anymore.

All other aspects aside, a V8 at the correct angle to accommodate two B16 heads is going to be monstrous, way too large for a street frame EG.</TD></TR></TABLE>
A monster of this size wont even be street legal. Look back a few pages to where I mention how the overall dimesions of the vehicle and its track/wheel base would have to be changed from the EJ civic to be approx. the size of a RL/Legend. I will also make it wide-body from there and have a wider track overall. Bigger tires, big brakes. I mean the list goes on. I KNOW eventually it will be tube frame. For 2 reasons, the K55A-Ri or K60A-Ri will be so mean it will twist and "street frame" and because I wont want to get rid of the street EJ with the TL motor stroked and boosted..
Old May 10, 2005 | 06:25 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by snoochtodanooch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">he would never be able to get a cast that he actually needed. His best bet is to get a huge peice of forged aluminum and have it machined. there is a site a few pages back. This deals with what i was saying about how ridiculous the idea is. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I love seeing people talk about **** they know nothing about.

Hey original thread poster. I have few books on home casting AL, and whatnot. If you are interested PM me here, and I let you have a few copies.



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