<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kal &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ATTS on the Prelude did the exact same thing for the front wheel... It would transfer ~15% to the outer wheel. The RL seems to implement the same exact system but for the rear wheel.

Prelude had the exact same thing with their ATTS unit. Their halfshafts were shorter than the regular ones on non-SH preludes. </TD></TR></TABLE>Ok kewl, yeah I'm sure it is at least similiar ideas involved. I would have to do more research on the Prelude system to see how close it is to the RL SH-AWD. The SH-AWD uses electro-magnetic clutches to decide how much of the power the rear diff is getting will go to each wheel. BTW you know exactly what the ATTS stands for? Now this ATTS system, you think with some mods it could be used on a B-series? I've never worked on a lude before so forgive me. There was only 1 ATTS unit correct? Sort of like a buffer between the half-shaft and the trans? Controlled by ECU or a seperate module? Hmmm thats all I can think of right now.


Modified by HondaFanatic708 at 10:19 PM 5/6/2005

 

No the ATTS (Active Torque Transfer System) does not bolt on directly to a B-series block. The ATTS system is bolted onto a differently cast block (h22a4 - but different to accomodate the ATTS). controlled by a separate module and ecu working in conjunction
separate module senses wheels and ecu compensates

 

LOL, this page was one of the better ones. I hope everyone else is getting as much entertainment from this as I am.

 

So really how old are you?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kal &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No the ATTS (Active Torque Transfer System) does not bolt on directly to a B-series block. The ATTS system is bolted onto a differently cast block (h22a4 - but different to accomodate the ATTS). controlled by a separate module and ecu working in conjunction
separate module senses wheels and ecu compensates</TD></TR></TABLE>I was just thinking of how it is mounted and controlled may make it capable of being modified for a B-series. But I see where this isn't going to work. I will have to get a better pic of the ATTS to see if it has any design similarities with the SH-AWD pumpkin.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sporkcrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">LOL, this page was one of the better ones. I hope everyone else is getting as much entertainment from this as I am. </TD></TR></TABLE> I agree, this one was really entertaining for me as well. LMAO.

 

he's 22.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by maskednegator &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ad hominem = off topic personal attack.
traps in the triple digits = has a trap speed in the standing quarter mile greater than 99 mph. you made yourself look really stupid not knowing what this phrase means.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Ad hominem actually means "against the man" and 99.xxx mph isn't in the triple digits. If you're going to take the time to flame, at least do so intelligently.

 

i am aware of the literal translation from latin of "ad hominem". how did my explanation of the term differ from its usage as you understand it?
you're correct, 99.xxx is in not in the 3 digits, it's in the 5 digits. just fyi, most people increment in integer values and wouldn't have any trouble understanding what i meant in my post.

 

Can i just ask you why?

I mean if you want to put a cool v8 in a civic why don't you take all that money you are going to waste failing at this project and buy a ferrari motor or something. I mean honda motors are great but they are definetly not the greatest.

As far as how you are going to do this, you act as if learning how to create a motor is an easy thing. And you act as if 1 person can do it, when in reality there when a motor is actually produced from nothing there are more than just mechanical engineers working on it.

And if you are going to toot your own horn, do it about something that is unique not that you learned how to program at age 11, because frankly there are thousands of people and probably a good number of guys on here who were in that boat.


Anyway get some actual cad stuff drawn and post it up :D

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kungfuSiR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Can i just ask you why?

I mean if you want to put a cool v8 in a civic why don't you take all that money you are going to waste failing at this project and buy a ferrari motor or something. I mean honda motors are great but they are definetly not the greatest.

As far as how you are going to do this, you act as if learning how to create a motor is an easy thing. And you act as if 1 person can do it, when in reality there when a motor is actually produced from nothing there are more than just mechanical engineers working on it.

And if you are going to toot your own horn, do it about something that is unique not that you learned how to program at age 11, because frankly there are thousands of people and probably a good number of guys on here who were in that boat.


Anyway get some actual cad stuff drawn and post it up :D</TD></TR></TABLE> I disagree with the satement in bold. IMO Honda has revolutionized the auto industry from day 1. For example, the 1976 Civic CVCC (Compound Vortex Combustion Chamber) was the first vehicle to ever pass federal emission standards without the use of a cat. converter. Also the variable valve timing band-wagon everyone has jumped on. Why would nearly every auto maker in the industry copy their idea if they are truely not the best? The list goes on my man. Yeah they are not Lambo, or Ferari for that matter, but they are Honda, that's good enough for me. If I had $100K cash right now there would be no question, I would buy an NSX. It's just too bad that is the top of the Honda food chain. I guess after that i could look at the Enzo or F460 Modena.

 

worst thread I have ever read.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bailhatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">worst thread I have ever read. </TD></TR></TABLE>Cool thanks for your TECHNICAL input on the subject. We all appreciate it. Way to go. But honestly, did you read all 230+ posts? I don't think so.

 

This thread contributes to the dumbing down of America. This thread is the reason terrorists are winning. This thread is the reason gay baby whales are dying off. This thread is the reason is the Pope died. This thread is the reason for all the erectile dysfunction drugs. This thread causes ******** cancer. This thread clogged my toilet. This thread... sucks.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HondaFanatic708 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> But honestly, did you read all 230+ posts? I don't think so.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I did. That makes me a HT Certified Thread Critiquer.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HondaFanatic708 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I guess after that i could look at the Enzo or F460 Modena. </TD></TR></TABLE>
f360.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HondaFanatic708 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Cool thanks for your TECHNICAL input on the subject. We all appreciate it. Way to go. But honestly, did you read all 230+ posts? I don't think so.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Its not a rule that I have to post technical info even though i usually do. Your ******* fast and furious pipe dream with "nitro rings" and gay *** headlight swaps detracts from this forum greatly. You are simply a liar that watchs too many media hyped car movies when your not reading internet forums. And yes i did read the whole thing...in absolute awe of your unrelenting idiocy, which you deftly proved in nearly every one of your replys.


Modified by Bailhatch at 12:26 AM 5/8/2005

 

Putting something so nasty in such a light car....slap some wings on that bitch and watch her fly :D

 

A cast iron block would be much easier than sleeving an aluminum block....however...a sleeved aluminum block would be lighter. I'd take yourself a huge hunk of iron and start machining the shape. Take s2000 or B series water pumps and oil pumps and see what kind of machining you need to do to teh block. Organize your timing belt. You may need to machine new cam gears to match the different teeth on teh timing belt depending on which water pump/oil pump combo you go with. You might think about taking a 1.8L crank to scallies(sp?) and have them add another rod journal next to the stock location and then center them. This way your heads would be offset an inch or so. Some of the old school v8's did this(dont remember what its called exactly or who did it...but I remember seeing it) Scallies crank will cost you an easy 1500 dollars. Get your block of iron and chuck it up in the cnc mill after you write you program in AutoCad 2004. But that still doesn't take care of the coolant ports... You may have to get it casted, or.... switch to a sleeved design..in aluminum. which the sleeves would help create a nice coolant jacket around the cylinders. you could drill most of the oil passages.

I'd say start with drawings. You're going to need to have the crank made....and maybe a cast block. If I were you I would make a dummy block out of aluminum. machine it so you have the correct bore, the deck height you desire. Then bolt the heads on so they are slightly offset(the same offset as the width of the end of the rod that attaches to the crank), and start looking at the timing belt situation. You'll need an oil pump, water pump, tensioner, and idler pulley. I would try to stick to B series components, as to try to keep the same timing belt (teeth per inch) or whatever the hell they rate them by....AND WIDTH. You'll prolly need to put an idle in between and below the heads to make sure that the cam gears get at least 90 degrees of traction on the belt. Dont forget that you shifted one of your heads in order to offset the rods... you'll need to extend this cam gear so that it is inline with the cranks(custom cams???) Once you have your custom timing belt made and it tensions correctly...machine hte back end of the block so that the tranny will bolt up to it. Mock everything up on this aluminum dummy block...get all of your programs written so that you can have a perfect setup when your real block is started. Send your crank out to be made. machine your mains, set the crank in, and machine your block. figure out your bore size.... send it off to benson or GE and have it custom sleeved. Have your own set of rods made(custom length B series rods) and run whatever bore pistons you want. and remember..you can still use oem honda bearings.

thats about all teh imagination my mind can take tonight... peace out girl scout.

 

350k! damn

goodluck your gonna need a lot of these

&lt;- 1bar who is stupid and going to VT for mechanical engineering im gonna love my cubicle

 

i love hondas also and i think they do a great job at advancing the automoitive industry but there are alot of other companies who are doing alot more now. take a look at the new VVTI Direct injection or volvos variable compression. or maby BMW with there variable valve lift they dont even run a throttle body just lift the valves left run totally by hydraulics that blows vtec out of the water. and im sorry but a civic does not compare to a ferrari it just cant.

 

OT: but whoever wants to see what Honda has done in automotive achievements

check this old thread out:
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=981596

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kal &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">OT: but whoever wants to see what Honda has done in automotive achievements

check this old thread out:
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=981596</TD></TR></TABLE>

OMG, you could cut some B16 pistons and weld them back together to make oval pistons and do that with the sleeves and have a 32 V B16 that makes 12345782645 HP at 23455 RPM! Oh ****! For that matter, you could make two of those engines and then weld the blocks together and have a 64 valve V8 B16! I'd call it the BB32! LOL, Honda should hire me because I know how to design engines!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RTErnie &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A cast iron block would be much easier than sleeving an aluminum block....however...a sleeved aluminum block would be lighter. I'd take yourself a huge hunk of iron and start machining the shape.



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he would never be able to get a cast that he actually needed. His best bet is to get a huge peice of forged aluminum and have it machined. there is a site a few pages back. This deals with what i was saying about how ridiculous the idea is.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by snoochtodanooch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">he would never be able to get a cast that he actually needed. His best bet is to get a huge peice of forged aluminum and have it machined. there is a site a few pages back. This deals with what i was saying about how ridiculous the idea is. </TD></TR></TABLE>

I think he sould make it out of Carbon Fiber, y0! That **** would hit VT3C harder than your sisters pantyloons hit the floor!