93 cable LS 3rd,4th,5th in 99 hydro GSR trans??? 3/4 fork not working
08-11-2011, 07:11 AM
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Re: 93 cable LS 3rd,4th,5th in 99 hydro GSR trans??? 3/4 fork not working
I know you are still having problems so I took another look at the pictures in this thread. You have the reverse synchro on 3rd gear. The thicker synchro goes at the top of the mainshaft on the cone for reverse. The 3/4/5 LS synchros are the smae diameter as Reverse but have thinner teeth.
08-11-2011, 08:22 AM
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Re: 93 cable LS 3rd,4th,5th in 99 hydro GSR trans??? 3/4 fork not working
Well... After some teeth counting and mark checking and lots of head scratching its back together. Used the 3rd, and 4th from the hydro ls and 5th from the cable ls. On the GSR shafts with GSR diff.
Will be putting it all back in the car tomorow and testing it.
Thanks for all the help guys!!!!
Will be putting it all back in the car tomorow and testing it.
Thanks for all the help guys!!!!
EDIT: LOL. I see Dave just pointed that out. I never made it to Page 2 yet. That was just the first thing I saw - completely wrong synchro on there. Figure out a way to keep everything organized for yourself that works for you, so that you don't go mixing things up like that. One of the biggest parts of doing anything extensively detailed when it comes to mechanical components is to be able to keep track of all parts of the system so that you don't mix things up. Good luck!
08-11-2011, 11:22 AM
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Re: 93 cable LS 3rd,4th,5th in 99 hydro GSR trans??? 3/4 fork not working
I know you are still having problems so I took another look at the pictures in this thread. You have the reverse synchro on 3rd gear. The thicker synchro goes at the top of the mainshaft on the cone for reverse. The 3/4/5 LS synchros are the smae diameter as Reverse but have thinner teeth.
Would that make it do any of the things its doing right now?
08-11-2011, 11:29 AM
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Re: 93 cable LS 3rd,4th,5th in 99 hydro GSR trans??? 3/4 fork not working
here's the details. Guess I should've kept them in one thread just didn't wanna search and dig it up.
I got everything back together and put it back in the car. It ran pretty good for about 20 minutes and then it feels like it's stuck in gear when I'm trying to shift to other gears. Won't go in any gear. When I let out the clutch in neutral it slows the car down like its still in one of the gears slightly. And if I shift from 1st to second it will grind unless I double clutch it with a LONG pause in between the shifts.
I replaced 3-5th on both shafts with hydro LS gear sets. Those seem to all match up tooth count and markings. I kept the GSR shafts and GSR diff/ring gear so the final drive set is GSR. And I replaced the washers and bolts in my OBX LSD.
I'm gonna tear it apart again and check for things that I may have missed. But we went through everything with a fine tooth comb and couldn't find anything.
One thing I read was that bench shifting it can cause the syncros to bind and stick. Is there a way to know if that is whats causing it or not??
The only other thing i can think of is having a twin disc on a stock clutch line is starting to push the limits of the rubber hose. So I'm gonna replace that line with an all braided line first and see what that does, if anything to the issue.
Any help or ideas would be greatly appreciated. This will be the 4th time I've pulled this trans in the last couple weeks. I'm getting good at it, but very annoyed with the whole
I replaced 3-5th on both shafts with hydro LS gear sets. Those seem to all match up tooth count and markings. I kept the GSR shafts and GSR diff/ring gear so the final drive set is GSR. And I replaced the washers and bolts in my OBX LSD.
I'm gonna tear it apart again and check for things that I may have missed. But we went through everything with a fine tooth comb and couldn't find anything.
One thing I read was that bench shifting it can cause the syncros to bind and stick. Is there a way to know if that is whats causing it or not??
The only other thing i can think of is having a twin disc on a stock clutch line is starting to push the limits of the rubber hose. So I'm gonna replace that line with an all braided line first and see what that does, if anything to the issue.
Any help or ideas would be greatly appreciated. This will be the 4th time I've pulled this trans in the last couple weeks. I'm getting good at it, but very annoyed with the whole
08-11-2011, 01:47 PM
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Re: 93 cable LS 3rd,4th,5th in 99 hydro GSR trans??? 3/4 fork not working
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The only other thing i can think of is having a twin disc on a stock clutch line is starting to push the limits of the rubber hose. So I'm gonna replace that line with an all braided line first and see what that does, if anything to the issue.
Can you hear any noises while driving? Or is the car too loud to diagnose that much?
08-12-2011, 06:01 AM
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Re: 93 cable LS 3rd,4th,5th in 99 hydro GSR trans??? 3/4 fork not working
the car is pretty loud. But I don't hear anything at idle or while driving. I'll probably pull it out again tonight and start snapping some pictures of how it's in there.
08-17-2011, 04:33 PM
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Re: 93 cable LS 3rd,4th,5th in 99 hydro GSR trans??? 3/4 fork not working
well.. looks like I got some explaining to do!! lol
Pulled it apart, found some banged up gears, and found the detent ***** smashed into the bolts holding the springs in. Def need to replace the washers, springs and bolts now. But I'm doubting that is the main cause. So i took a butt-load of pics and counted the teeth of each gear. So here is how the trans sits right now. Any input would be greatly appreciated!
and the gears that seem to be contacting each other some how. 2nd on the main shaft and 3rd on the counter are touching for some reason.
Pulled it apart, found some banged up gears, and found the detent ***** smashed into the bolts holding the springs in. Def need to replace the washers, springs and bolts now. But I'm doubting that is the main cause. So i took a butt-load of pics and counted the teeth of each gear. So here is how the trans sits right now. Any input would be greatly appreciated!
and the gears that seem to be contacting each other some how. 2nd on the main shaft and 3rd on the counter are touching for some reason.
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08-17-2011, 06:34 PM
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Re: 93 cable LS 3rd,4th,5th in 99 hydro GSR trans??? 3/4 fork not working
I'm no longer sure how the gears got in this order.
I'm pretty sure my counts are correct. But I'm going to double check them here in a few.
I'm pretty sure my counts are correct. But I'm going to double check them here in a few.
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08-17-2011, 07:49 PM
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Re: 93 cable LS 3rd,4th,5th in 99 hydro GSR trans??? 3/4 fork not working
holy crap! It looks like I have all kinds of gears mixed up.
What i was trying to get lined up was. 3rd, & 4th from a Hydro LS and 5th from a cable LS.
Right now, as you can see from the pictures I have an assortment of gears from the tooth counts.
If anyone could give me a break down of the tooth counts I should be looking for I would GREATLY appreciate it.
I'd like to have 3rd & 4th from a Hydro LS, and 5th from a Cable LS. With 1st and 2nd being from a GSR. If that will even work.
Next time I do this I'm gonna work on it by myself and set everything out completely marked and separated!!!! DAMN!
What i was trying to get lined up was. 3rd, & 4th from a Hydro LS and 5th from a cable LS.
Right now, as you can see from the pictures I have an assortment of gears from the tooth counts.
If anyone could give me a break down of the tooth counts I should be looking for I would GREATLY appreciate it.
I'd like to have 3rd & 4th from a Hydro LS, and 5th from a Cable LS. With 1st and 2nd being from a GSR. If that will even work.
Next time I do this I'm gonna work on it by myself and set everything out completely marked and separated!!!! DAMN!
08-18-2011, 11:46 AM
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Gears on the shaft are Hydro GSR 1/2/5 and 3/4 ITR/B16. The B16 cable YS1 and 92-93 B17 GSR YS1 use this same ratio 3-4 gears along with the B16 hydro and ITR 94-97. The 94 and newer GSR used the longer ratio gears. It should have worked with this gear set unless something was assembled wrong. I did notice that the synchro on reverse is not correct. You have a 5th synchro in the top spot and it should be a thicker reverse synchro. The 5/R sleeve is also upside down. One more thing to check is your reverse idler gear. If it has a needle bearing inside you will need a brass spacer under it and if it has a bushing inside no spacer is used. I can't tell by the picture which one you have.
08-18-2011, 11:53 AM
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Re: 93 cable LS 3rd,4th,5th in 99 hydro GSR trans??? 3/4 fork not working
I did notice that the synchro on reverse is not correct. You have a 5th synchro in the top spot and it should be a thicker reverse synchro. The 5/R sleeve is also upside down. One more thing to check is your reverse idler gear. If it has a needle bearing inside you will need a brass spacer under it and if it has a bushing inside no spacer is used. I can't tell by the picture which one you have.
Can you see where the reverse syncro is currently? Or is it missing all together?
The reverse Idler gear has needle bearings I believe. I'd have to pull it off to double check. Which I can do later tonight.
Thanks for your help! I'm all kinds of confused where the b16 gears came from!!!!!
08-18-2011, 12:05 PM
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Re: 93 cable LS 3rd,4th,5th in 99 hydro GSR trans??? 3/4 fork not working
another question. The crush washers were toast for the detent ***** so they got jammed into the bolt. I'm replacing those now. But what issue would that have caused? Sticking in gear, hard to shift, grinding??
Thanks for your help guys!! I got lots of issues right now.
Thanks for your help guys!! I got lots of issues right now.
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08-18-2011, 01:40 PM
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Re: 93 cable LS 3rd,4th,5th in 99 hydro GSR trans??? 3/4 fork not working
Hmm. I'll have to check my other gear set and see if we accidentally switched the revers to the other set.
What I'd really like to do is get the tooth count for the 3 full sets I have. So I can get everything back in 100% stock order and then organize what I want to take from where.
Anyone have the tooth counts for both shafts for a Cable LS, a Hydro LS, and a Hydro GSR laying around?? Would really appreciate it!!
Thanks for the help so far guys!
08-18-2011, 01:51 PM
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YS1 Cable LS: C/S 42/38/33/29/26 M/S 13/20/26/30/35
S80 Hydro LS: C/S 42/38/33/29/25 M/S 13/20/26/30/35
The cable LS 5th gears have 2 ID lines and the hydro LS 5th gears have 3 ID lines. 1-4 are the same gears on both transmissions.
S80 Hydro LS: C/S 42/38/33/29/25 M/S 13/20/26/30/35
The cable LS 5th gears have 2 ID lines and the hydro LS 5th gears have 3 ID lines. 1-4 are the same gears on both transmissions.
08-18-2011, 03:56 PM
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Re: 93 cable LS 3rd,4th,5th in 99 hydro GSR trans??? 3/4 fork not working
Then there is def something off about the sets i have.
Do you have the c/s and m/s counts for a GSR trans?
Do you have the c/s and m/s counts for a GSR trans?
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08-19-2011, 01:39 PM
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Re: 93 cable LS 3rd,4th,5th in 99 hydro GSR trans??? 3/4 fork not working
Looking for Hydro GSR tooth counts an all gears if anyone has them.
08-19-2011, 04:56 PM
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08-19-2011, 05:18 PM
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how do the sleeves look if they look bad and you try to put new springs on the syncro it want shift for crap.
08-19-2011, 07:53 PM
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Re: 93 cable LS 3rd,4th,5th in 99 hydro GSR trans??? 3/4 fork not working
they looked great actually. I'll double check them again when I pull it apart. Looks like I just need to fix the m/s 3rd, 4th, & 5th to get the correct gear counts to get what I want. Freaking sucks having to fix this **** over and over again.
thanks for the help guys!!
thanks for the help guys!!
08-31-2011, 04:22 PM
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Re: 93 cable LS 3rd,4th,5th in 99 hydro GSR trans??? 3/4 fork not working
Ok I finally got time to swap in my replacement gears. Went back with all her gears. So here's the counts and pics. Please help me by checking my work before I put the trans back in. Tanks in advance guys.
C/s : m/s
26/33
30/29
34/25
38/20
C/s : m/s
26/33
30/29
34/25
38/20
08-31-2011, 09:31 PM
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Re: 93 cable LS 3rd,4th,5th in 99 hydro GSR trans??? 3/4 fork not working
FYI, I changed the 3-4 slider. It's beat up pretty bad.
But the trans still feels really tough to shift. I can't figure out what I'm missing that is making it shift that way. All the syncros and teeth on the gears seem to be very minimally worn. Syncros seem to have plenty of bite on the gear cones too. I'm stumped any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Im ordering new detent springs, bolts, and washers tomorrow. All 3 of them. Not sure what else to check at this point. I'm about to buy a cheap working GSR trans and try to compare them and see what I'm missing. Freaking sucks. But $200 is worth it to me to have piece of mind at this point and get this car running again!
But the trans still feels really tough to shift. I can't figure out what I'm missing that is making it shift that way. All the syncros and teeth on the gears seem to be very minimally worn. Syncros seem to have plenty of bite on the gear cones too. I'm stumped any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Im ordering new detent springs, bolts, and washers tomorrow. All 3 of them. Not sure what else to check at this point. I'm about to buy a cheap working GSR trans and try to compare them and see what I'm missing. Freaking sucks. But $200 is worth it to me to have piece of mind at this point and get this car running again!