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Old Jul 28, 2002 | 02:41 AM
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Ive done the CAI, exhaust and headers on my B16a. A local guy is offering a type R throttle body at a reasonable price. I thought cams would be next but these types of parts dont come around often in my neck of the woods.

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Old Jul 28, 2002 | 07:58 AM
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why dont u just have your stock t/b bored to type r spec and use the moolah to buy crower cams or skunk2 stage 2's hehehehe
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Old Jul 28, 2002 | 08:00 AM
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I did cams, and have yet to do a T-body...


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Old Jul 29, 2002 | 04:18 AM
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I can't find anyone in Australia who has bored a TB.
Jason: Yeah but you already have the big TB.
Anone else???
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Old Jul 29, 2002 | 05:41 AM
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i'd say get cams and get the tb bored out to type r specs like someone else said.....good luck...
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Old Jul 29, 2002 | 07:44 AM
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I can't find anyone in Australia who has bored a TB.
Jason: Yeah but you already have the big TB.
Anone else???
I guess I do not see where I already have a larger TB, unless you are talking about the stock being larger. If that is the case, I still think my car could benefit from a 68-70mm tapered to 64-66 mm, now that is what I call big...


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Old Jul 29, 2002 | 07:50 AM
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bigger is not always better

Go too big and you are going to slaughter your midrange, for a very narrow upper rpm gain.

This is why a huge diameter overbore 70 mm TB on an all motor teg will not work well. The same thing happens. You may "feel" a crisper throttle response but the low rpm and midrange power gets killed because although you get more flow capacity, the flow velocity and flow quality is sacrificed. The power gains are all seen in the peak rpms only and for a very narrow rpm range up top.
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Old Jul 29, 2002 | 09:21 AM
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Default Re: Is a throttle body or cams next??? (b16a4me)

Ive done the CAI, exhaust and headers on my B16a. A local guy is offering a type R throttle body at a reasonable price. I thought cams would be next but these types of parts dont come around often in my neck of the woods.

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cams for sure first, then TB.
You'll get more bang fo yo buck with cams over a TB anyways...


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Old Jul 30, 2002 | 06:00 AM
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Default Re: Is a throttle body or cams next??? (Katman)

Yeah, I meant you've already got a Type R throttle body.
I'll probably go cams. Thanx for your responses, it is appreciated. I'm in the VTEC outback!!!!!
B16a.......what midrange
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Old Jul 30, 2002 | 09:34 AM
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Get the Cams .... more bang for the buck
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Old Jul 30, 2002 | 12:54 PM
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Get the Cams .... more bang for the buck
hey Dave..
what the hell happend with you coming out here to S.CA and meeting up?? You left me hangin...again....
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Old Jul 30, 2002 | 12:57 PM
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Default Re: Is a throttle body or cams next??? (Katman)

Get the cams, your stock TB can flow enough air to make power with them. While a bigger TB will not allow the cams to flow more air, just provide it with more available air which can lead to turbulence and hinder air flow in the manifold.
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Old Jul 30, 2002 | 06:41 PM
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If you look at the B16A swap into the 1990 Integra LS, a throttle body was of some benefit. It actually added 1HP and 1ft-lb torque to their B16A. The best thing about it was that this power increase was relatively uniform throghout the entire rev range. But the piece is expensive. And you get better bang for the buck with the cams. I would do the cams first and the throttle body later.

Speaking of cams, if you go Type-R, go with the CTR intake cam and NOT the ITR intake cam. Use of the CTR cam does not require cam tuning BUT the ITR cam does (although cam tuning is not a bad idea in any case). Also, the ITR cam causes a dead spot in the midrange that tuning reduced but could not eliminate. The CTR intake cam causes no such dead spot.
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