Like the topic says....why did Honda make a B16B? From what I understand they simply took a B18C5 and destroked it. Why?

 

better rod to stroke ratio equal even higher reving capabilites with less stress on the rods and crank and less side loading on the pistons which means less friction.Can anyone else add
to this??

 

8800 redline
nuff said

 

In addition, there appears to be racing series around the world where 1.6L is the max displacement allowed.

 

Really? I thought the redline was the same as the ITR's....

But anyways, I'm seriously considering getting a Type R engine for my CRX. I did think about the CTR because of the lower rod ratio and piston speeds. The ITR's specs in that category freak me out a little bit. But, ultimately both engines are factory Honda engines and I imagine one lasts as long as the other. I do like high revs, though....

So what does everyone suggest? Is there anyone on this board that would take a B16B over a B18C5?

 

no

 

hmmm... well... maybe...no...

But I'll take both

 

displacement wins.
you will have no worries with r:s ratio. its not THAT important. not in this case
anyway.

 

I just checked some sources and they state that a B16B redlines just as high as a B18C5.

The rod/ stroke ratios and piston speeds are valid reasons to destroke, but I assume Honda didn't do it becasue of those reasons. That would be implying that they didn't consider the B18C5 reliable enough.

If the redline is in fact the same....the only reason I can see for a B16B existing is for the racing series RagingAngel mentioned.

 

really? i heard it was higher because if the good *** r/s ratio.

 

thats what i was thinking. 1600cc max in alot or races


[Modified by S13 slide, 10:10 AM 6/26/2002]

 

I would get the B18CR....but thats just me. Haha you guys said "stroke."

 

I'll tell you one thing: it should be higher. Not just because of the r/s but also the piston speeds. I'm still not sure if it is or not, but if it isn't then it looks like someone dropped the ball on that one, as I'm sure they could have spun it much faster.

 

no
i think they ade it becuase honda never wanted to put a 1.8 litre engine in a civic

i really think its that simple!

 

So you're saying that they took a great engine, modified it to be a less great engine and put it into the car because they didn't believe that the car was worthy of the great engine?

You know, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case. VW did it with their Golf and Audis. Don't they have the same exact engines except one has something like 50 more horsepower than the other?

 

well...
civics always had 1.6's, so the ctr needed a 1.6
tegs always had 1.8's, so the itr needed a 1.8

doent seem that complicated to me?
i mean, why do you think honda didnt put b20's, or h22's in hatchbacks?
thats just not the way they were designed

 

because the b20 isnt meant for a civic
its a CIVIC
a commuter car!
its not even a relative performance car like a teg.

 

It is that complicated!

I understand that they might have done it because they didn't want to one-up the ITR, but your logic is seriously flawed and I can't accept it as a reasonable explanation. The Civic is more than capable of having a 1.8 in it. In fact, I believe Europe offered a Civic with a 1.8
Hell, the new Civics have 1.7's in them, and I believe that the new Civic Si and Type R has a 2.0, despite the fact that Civics have always had 1.6's.......

My point is that Honda seemingly went out of their way to make a good engine less good. I don't believe cost was a factor (it's essentially the same engine). I'll buy the racing series explanation, though.

 

Yeah we have the 1.8VTi (EK) over here, i have a friend who works in our local honda dealership and he cross referenced numbers and the 1.8VTi engine is the exact same as the B18C found in JDM Si/SiR and USDM GSRs except they have the B16A inlet manifold and T/B which may explain why they only make 170bhp compared to JDM B18cs 180bhp

 

8800 redline... should explain it

 

no, they built a great engine in '89 - the B16A

this lead to development and creation of hte whole B-series phenomena!!!!

to compare apples with oranges is folly, which is what is being done here.

t..