I put these omni power full street coilovers with the match struts on my car, well i have the fronts all the way down and the car is still higher than my neuspeed race spring's were??? WTF? What would do this? i thought they were supposed to lower the car 4'', it tells me not to lower the car past 4'' but i can even go past 2inches???


Modified by civicgsr19 at 8:22 PM 12/4/2004

 

Which perch are you adjusting?? The top one preloads the spring, the lower perch spins up and adjusts height.


Maybe the pic will help explain.


see the gold part.. the higher <U>up</U> it goes, the shorter the whole damper/spring is.. hence the lower the ride height.

Here, I snapped some more pics.. hope this helps.

This will raise the car



This will lower the car



I dunno if you have already done this.. If so, try to provide me w/some more info on what exactly you are adjusting. I'm thinking you may be adjusting the higher perch, and the shock is bottoming instead of utilizing the spring.


Modified by FunctionMotoring at 5:34 PM 12/4/2004

 

Nope, bottom perch, on the front, the shock is all the way down,just like your 3rd pic!?! It will not lower the car anymore. I dont know if spring preload will afect this? can i preload more to get it lower?

 

umm, with my Omni's I had kinda the same issue. I set the spring preload as recommended and then put the lower adjuster all the way down, and the car was only dropped about 2 inches. I just took out a little preload to get the height I wanted...

 

How low did you get it?About how many more inches other than the initial 2?

 

hold on i'll take a pic right now and post it...

 

Here ya go - tuckin 205/50/15 Azenis....

 

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That is just tooo low!

 

how much preload did you take out?
How does that ride?

 

This is prettymuch a known issue now with these shocks.

Seems like a pretty crappy design. So much for their independent height and preload adjustments eh?

 

this really should be in the suspension or apprearance forums. there isn't any RR/AX content in this thread at all.

nate - thought he clicked on the wrong forum for a second

 

I posted this here because i know all you auto-x guys know about spring preload, all those d70 club loser's dont . My question pertains to suspension, not cosmetic/apperance.But i guess if it has to be moved than move it.....
If not, please answer my question, does more spring load affect ride height?

 

Honestly, I think you should contact Omniman personally thru IM, he is very helpful when it comes to his products, and any question you may have for him... and goes into great detail with his answers.


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Since it "seems like a pretty crappy design", I would suggest you hold your comment's about a company's product until you personally have tried yourself on your own vehicle... don't go based off of what other people might have done wrong or read wrong on their "projects".

 

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I wish everyone on H-T listened to that advice...

 

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Seems like a pretty crappy design. So much for their independent height and preload adjustments eh? </TD></TR></TABLE>

And also many many other Coil over companies use the same design regarding the ride hight adjustment. (HKS, Tein, etc)

 

I can get mine up 2 inchs higher than stock and down to tuck on the front!! the rear however I can only get it to tuck or sit 1 inch away from the wheel well..they are working on a fix for this that should be out this month.

 

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And also many many other Coil over companies use the same design regarding the ride hight adjustment. (HKS, Tein, etc)</TD></TR></TABLE>

Seriously, Every High end Coil-over that I have seen is designed this way, even mine the Apexi-N1. I highly doubt you could call a design that endurance racers user on the track a "Crappy design".

 

Whos working on this? For the omnis?

 

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I called omnipower and the guy on the other end said they where working on a replacement piece to correct the issue..so give them a call if your having issues.

 

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it is a crappy design for street cars though. I had the tein flex coilovers which are almost exactly like that (although I wouldn't consider them "hi-end" by any means - just "middle of the road, or "consumer" quality). They were such a pain in the a$$ to adjust. Even when following the directions on the installation, the car did not sit right, and I need to preload the springs a lot more. And to adjust the height in the rear, I had to disconnect the shock from the lower control arm every time until we got the height right (since the instructions say NOT to turn the shaft/shock body).

and preload affects the dynamic rate of the spring, which can cause other issues. I found some motorcycle/moto-cross sites that had some pretty good articles on spring preload that were very informative.

because of the adjustable shock body design, overall travel is very limited compared to a traditional shock setup. Yes, you can lower the body and keep the same overall travel, but you start with only a small amount of travel. And then there was almost zero droop on the suspension, which made adjusting my camber arms very difficult, not to mention affected ride quality.

I think this design would work best with very stiff spring rates, so you could minimize spring preload, and bottoming out of the shock. this is probably why you may see the setup on race cars.

yeah, they looked bling blingin', but I'm happy to have finally gotten rid of those things. but my experience is only with the tein flex, so hopefully the omnipowers are better.

 

What are you running now?