ls-vtec, ready for 12's or low 13's....or a stock type-r engine, whcih comes w/ LSD

EDIT: ls-vtec engine will have b16 head, ported and polished 3 angle valve job...stock cams, TB, and IM. Will also have ITR pistons, shot peened rods and arp head bolts

Type-R engine will be bone stock.


[Modified by GRCuadros, 1:48 AM 3/1/2003]

 

typer motor

 

but why? i thought the ls-vtec would be a better deal...i mean they're both good engines, but reasons....i need reasons

 

B18c5 is more reliable, and it has lsd with a short geared tranny. Heck, I would rather get a c1 than a ls vtec.

 

go CRVTEC...lol, know thats not the question just my opnion. Actually if u know your stuff and know how to build the ls-vtec, id go lsvtec. the type-r has reliabilty and is one damn good engine, but i like the lsvtec for its potential.

 

Reliability is the reason I chose the Type-R. The LS/Vtec can be had for cheaper and reliability is solely based on how well it was built and the tuning involved. Plus I don't got money flowing out my rear end to repair/rebuild if the ls/vtec were to fail.

 

type-r.
800 dollars cheaper and with 800 you can get a set of mild cams that will make the motor that much faster. skunk 2-2, 15 whp, 700$ cant beat that

 

type-r is great bang for your buck. if you plan on just a mild build, quality bolt-ons and a port-n-polish with a slight mill will put you well over the 200whp mark.

 

ls block is not meant for high revving. thats why some internals are replaced with b18c parts. i did a search on b20, which is similar in your case, and most of the people, if not all, has had problems 6 months down the line. imo, ls/vtec is something good for more torque as daily driver but for drag kiss that motor goodbye in less than a year.

 

i would go type-r i think it is a more reliable choice and comes with the lsd

or you can buy the type-r and trade me for my crvtec

 

reliability isnt the issue im worried about, the ls-vtec isnt going to be a full blown race car, its going to be quick, and it'll last long because im not gonna race it often. maybe on occasion ill take it to the track, i like the type-r engine as well, but i was thinking for the 800 bucks extra that the ls-vtec would be better cuz its already gonna be fast, i wont need the bolt-ons and **** cuz i will already have them, and it'll be a far from stock motor (already hitting 200whp atleast. still not sure which im gonna do, keep the opinions and experiances coming.


[Modified by GRCuadros, 4:28 PM 3/1/2003]

 

anybody else?

 

What tranny would you be using for the ls-vtec?

 

a b16, and i was under the impression that they are the same, except the LSD.

 

I'm confused on the price of these two options.... where do you get 5gs for a ls/vtec?
When the block cost about 700 and the head of a vtec motor about 500.... where do you get 5000?

Edit:> Nevermind... didnt read it all i guess... but still with all that work, it will push alot more than a type r.... if you get the type r and do that same work.... id say you will be broke... ls/vtec


[Modified by Irishweird00, 1:03 AM 3/2/2003]

 

thats a cheap price for a C5 with LSD. LS/VTEC aint reliable as stated before and it would definetly be worth your money to go with the C5 and then use the extra money with other mods.

 

and i have a comment on your sig...

effieciency / fuel milage, practicality, cost, noise, etc. remember, the people at honda are just a tad bit smarter than you or i.

 

Ok I just fully rebuilt ls/vtec and its stronger then my friends type-r motor with intake,exhuast, adjustable fpr, and jun stage 3 cam gears. I only spent about 3500$ for a full rebuild too. If you want me to go into detail I will...

Also why don't you just get a type-r tranny?

 

check your PM's

 

for the money type R is the way to go .
R block= oil cooler... better oil pump...better water pump...block hand assemble by honda's best... crank made for high revs.
ls block=needs all the above
R tranny= better final drive,lsd
type r head is already ported and polish and has all the highperformance on the head already,springs/retainers go to 9rpm with ease, 65mm tb ported intake manifold, mild cams.
will last you 300,000 miles if taken care of properly 60k if raced often
ls vtec maybe 60k and about 15-20k if raced often

considering the type R is cheaper i would def def go with a R
just my opinion if i had your same choice .
dammm wish i had 5gs .

 

Not trying to be a dick or anything but show me some dyno sheets of a car making power at 9000 rpms on stock type-r cams. The only thing you get out of the type r is the oil suirters and block guard.

 

ummm i said rev with ease to 9rpm,not make power up to 9rpm.
oil squirter is yet another thing
ls water pump is not as good as the itr/gsr water pump past 6rpm the
water pump flows at a slower rate. in this case slower is better to keep it cool longer
the itr/gsr oil pump pumps out more oil than the ls
94-95gsr/itr oil cooler keeps oil cool even at high revs

all im saying is that its a way more reliable engine than the ls/vtec
now dont get me wrong that ls/vtec setup will make more power
than the stock type R setup .

 

the ls block will be built with ITR pistons, eagle rods. the b16 tranny has the same gearing as the type-r i believe, and the head will also be ported and polished with a 3 angle valve job. will not be raced very often.

 

Sounds like you're trying hard to talk yourself into the LS/Vtec despite your poll being heavily tilted to the ITR transplant.

I'd much much rather go with the ITR if I were you even for the same price. For $800 less I think the ITR is an easy winner here. LS/Vtec will likely be more powerful, but less reliable. With either of these setups you'll likely get addicted to high RPMs, and the ITR will be able to handle it far better.

 

Ok don't get me wrong here, I'm not yelling at you or even mad I'm just going to explain some things that your wrong about so you can simply learn, But try not to post about things your not positive about.

1st things first... This statement right here "ummm i said rev with ease to 9rpm,not make power up to 9rpm." why in gods green earth would you want to rev to 9krpms if your not making power at 9krpms, you g get it dyno tuned and you moniter where u power drops off, and thats where u shift at. If your not making power and yourstill reving thats exactly like bouncing off rev limiter for 3 secs and then shifting, its pointless, and it actually slows you down.

2nd thing... You said this... "ls water pump is not as good as the itr/gsr water pump past 6rpm..." This just proves to me you have no experience with an ls/vtec motor and your talkign about it... First of all you CAN'T run ls/vtec on an ls oil pump... It has to be a VTEC oil pump, bc when VTEC engages it uses more oil and gas obvioulsly... and an ls oil pump isn't a VTEC oil pump, so it would probably just not even make VTEC engage considering VTEC doesn't engage when low on il or oil pressure is off.

Now just to state something, if anyone does ls vtec it has to be built period at sometime or another period... to not build it up properly is just plain stupid and I haven't ever seen it done. And with it built correctly with rods/pistons/sleeve ro bored/microing crank, new main and rod bearings/new oil pump/water pump, timing belt.. etc etc it has no problem with reliability issues, you just build it up to what your looking to do, if your looking for high revs then you build it for high revs.. etc etc, and if done properly it will be just as reliable as any other ITR or b16 or b18c