i say ITR...... lsvtec, if you run into problems.. which im sure youll will..... not all mechanics can solve it... and will have to find someone that specializes in that ype of work.... which there isnt much aroud....

my opinion.. go itr

 

I would think that the ITR would last even longer than 60k if raced often. More like 100,000 to 150,000 if maintained and well tuned.

 

You guys are all saying this but have no experience with either one, we need hardcore evidence of your opinion, not just hearsay!

 

Kewl the guy w/ 40 posts doubts my credentials.

 

I was actually referring to "Blackcivicd16" and the other guy talking about the oil pump and stuff... But anyways how does my number of posts on H-T affect my knowledge on cars? I drive an ls/vtec, and thats why im so interested in this thread.

 

How do you know what my experience is Rain? Just because I have only made 6 posts? And dont get so defensive I never voted for the ITR just simply corrected someone who said that it would only last 60k raced often. I have seen that they last longer. I don't know much about the LS-VTEC though so therefore cant vote against it. By the way where at in Tampa are you?

 

yeah i want the ls-vtec more. i figured its a better deal, a ton more power for just 800 bucks more. keep the votes coming though

 

yeah my Stock C1 lasted to 181,031 miles taken to 8,000 RPM almost everyday and sevral times a day at that..! didnt change the oil often or even bother to check the ...g2g

 

1600 for port&polish with jun spec cams, valvesprings, and retainers
1000 for b18c block with type-r pistons and rebuild
950 for type-r tranny
<u>380 for jdm 4-1 header</u>
total so far: 3930

this is how much i spent so far on my project. Of course i need a few more things and i can count on this setup to be more reliable than ls/vtec

 

Get type R motor...looks better under the hood, when people ask, plus its a good lasting motor, doesnt require as much of tuning....usually.....

 

your not getting that great of information just to let you know, if you dont know what you are talking about dont post misleading information, a ls/vtec can be reliable if it is built right and make more power then a c5 for less cash, but if you dont know what your doing and are going to pay other people to do the work you would be better off just buying a type-r motor

 

you know what i think you just want people to tell you to get ls/vtec
cause deep down inside thats whatz you want.

oh and to you rain

1st things first... This statement right here "ummm i said rev with ease to 9rpm,not make power up to 9rpm." why in gods green earth would you want to rev to 9krpms if your not making power at 9krpms, you g get it dyno tuned and you moniter where u power drops off, and thats where u shift at. If your not making power and yourstill reving thats exactly like bouncing off rev limiter for 3 secs and then shifting, its pointless, and it actually slows you down.

2nd thing... You said this... "ls water pump is not as good as the itr/gsr water pump past 6rpm..." This just proves to me you have no experience with an ls/vtec motor and your talkign about it... First of all you CAN'T run ls/vtec on an ls oil pump... It has to be a VTEC oil pump, bc when VTEC engages it uses more oil and gas obvioulsly... and an ls oil pump isn't a VTEC oil pump, so it would probably just not even make VTEC engage considering VTEC doesn't engage when low on il or oil pressure is off.

1st things first...if you get better cams theres no need to upgrade the valvetrain cause it can rev with ease to 9rpm. i never said it itr cams made power to 9rpm

2nd thing...i have no experience with a ls/vtec hmmmm lol then why do i have a ls/vtec setup on my integra dont assume what you dont know.
also ls pump offers sufficient oil for vtec to engage i should know cause i had ls oil pump for 3 months with no problems before i decide to fully built the ls block.and just to back this statement up a b16 oil pump flows at 53qpm and vtec is able to engage now a b18b ls oil pump also flows 53qpm hmmmm.of
course with a gsr/itr oil pump you will have a higher flow rate at 75qpm.


[Modified by hotintegranights, 2:22 AM 3/3/2003]

 

I'd vote for this setup over both the others.

 

either way when you put stuff on your engine its not gonna be as reliable as a stock one, but reliability isnt an issue...and yeah integranights, i do want ls-vtec...i think thats what im gonna get, it seems like a better deal to me that also makes more power...ill just pick up an lsd in a couple months

 

Okie doke. Holler in 20k miles when you're doing your first rebuild to recommend some good replacement parts.

 

I think that it is pretty simple comparision.

The ls/vtec is going to have more power and more torque...significantly more than the type r. Although it will be significantly more powerful, it will also be significantly less reliable.

The type R is going to be a stock honda motor...meaning that you can pretty much drive the hell out of it and you won't have any problems. Stock honda motors generally don't break. The downside to this reliability in comparison to the ls/vtec is that it won't be as fast.

Choose one...either power or reliability....you can't have both...sorry.

 

With a little money into the head of an ITR and some quality bolt-ons, spending no more than additional $2500, you can hit over 200whp with an ITR motor. You CAN have both!

 

I don't know who to believe and who's talking out of their asses...

I think it's best for everyone if someone wants to post stuff regarding this thread, they should state whether they have experience or own an LSVtec.

 

honestly my set up just came my way, i would choose the c5 for every day purposes if money is an issue go lsvtec, just make sure you go to a reputable shop, reality is im waiting to come accross a c5, but until then ill stick w/ the poor mans type-r. you just have to weigh it out, the big balance for me is that im a mechanic and ive been working w/ lsvtecs for years now, just as long as you know how to control it and maintain it (basically baby it) you should be fine. if youre not up to it. spend the extra cash and get a c5.


[Modified by POWERLINE125nosLSVTEC, 3:48 AM 3/6/2003]

 

My setup
B18b short block complete cost 0 got it from a friend
Skunk 2 stage 2 cams 500 bought them w/ 200 miles on them
Endyn rollerwave pistons 12.5:1 brand new w/ rings 328
skunk2 valve springs and retainers 380
Arp rod bolts 42
ARP head studs 50 bought from a friend
bearings from honda 200
skunk 2 intake manifold 0 swaped my buddies clutch in for him in exchange
ported head 0 i did it myself
all machine work including boring block honing, assembling head, competion 3 angle vavle job, cleaning and balancing up to 10k rpms, relocating dowel pins 550
Jun cam gears 0 traded for a stock bumper cover for integra i had
AEM cold air intake 20 bucks used from a friend
Cometic head gasket from endyn 100
Misc gaskests and belts for motor 70
JDM itr 4-1 header 0 got it from this guy that traded me for carpet for his civic the carpet cost me 0 got it from a friend

that 2240 is where im at

hopefully i should be able to stomp a type r just depends on what kind of deals you can dig up.

 

Why is it more reliable? If built properly, an LSVTEC will last just as long and produce more tq. (stroke). You want a short-geared tranny? (or just like ITR?),get a B16A tranny & spend the $400 on a LSD....now you have a ITR tranny.

 

ive had both setups currentley im running the b18c5 , reliability was not the issue w/ the ls/vtec blowing up it was detonation and the fact it was untuned . Hands down i will be building another ls/vtec, and the r short block will be 4 sale . I will also will be running it w/ hondata . A built ls/vtec ooownz here rice boys sorry . just my .02 from some1 that has raced and abused both motors

 

Well you're certainly welcome to your opinion, and I wouldn't call you a rice boy because it differs from mine. LS/Vtec gains 1.8mm of stroke over a b18c. That's a whopping 37cc. Big deal. I think a whole lot of frankenmotor builders exaggerate about what these motors produce. What do you pay for this whopping 37cc increase? Well you're using an inferior crank that doesn't oil as well at high revs(where Vtec lives), isn't as well balanced, or as strong. You're w/o piston oil squirters, your r/s ratio is lower resulting in more piston side loading, and you have to run oil lines around. These even when done right look ugly and are a potential risk. Now while I do agree it is possible to build an LS/Vtec properly, adding a crank girdle, balancing the rotating assembly, properly done oil lines...etc. I would argue that once you're done doing it all right the cost difference between that and a b18c is not that great anymore, and you still have higher piston speeds and more cylinder wall stress. All that for 37cc...not worth it IMO, and yes I have played around with LS/Vtecs.

 

the riceboy thing was a joke , i thought it was funny anyways my my ls/vtec had the rotating assembley balanced and oil squirters werre machined in the only thing i regret not doing was the crank girdle it blew up anyways so who cares . Your def right about the 37cc's and not being a big deal but when it comes to these little 4 cylinders we need to extract as much as displacement as we can especially n/a there is no replacement 4 displacement

 

thanks for all your input guys...its been really helpful.