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Old Mar 12, 2007 | 12:00 PM
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Default Immobilizer removal

Hey i'm trying to remove the immo chip on my 05 civic that i put an a3 into its a 03 civic si ecm i believe its the biggest stand up chip does anyone know if removing this will work or if this is the right chip please help if you can thanks
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Old Jul 5, 2010 | 09:27 AM
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. . . Hey I got an identical problem, here goes:

First of all: Hello HONDA-DUDES ! !

I just signed up here, so I pretty much know NOTHING

about whats going on here.

I hope we can have some fun CAR FUN . . . Let the fun begin ! ! !

. . . anyway this is why I am here:

I just bought an old 1997 Honda Civic automatic

in good condition for 500 bucks.

Its not stolen, and I can register it any time, I have checked.

I want to make this baby spin for my gf, is why . . .

If it spins, she may spin too and all for me

First of all I need to get it started, I never thought that would be an issue!

It seems this 1997 old Civic got an IMMO,

damn! Well wonderful, I love teasy stuff ! ! !

The dealer offered me a key for 200 bucks,

and I said NO thanks, I said WHAT ? ? ?

200 BUCKS FOR A KEY ? ? ? ?

I did not tell him that I am an electrical engineer,

and I kind of laughed big time at him,

did not show my laff however

I just laffed cuz I think I got myself a GOOD DEAL . . mmm but did I ? !

I am not a car expert, I work with analog-2-digital converters for satellites.

I wonder how the satelitte-name came about . . . mmm

. . . Well anyway now about one day later,

I realize that this old 1997 Honda baby "PROBABLY GOT" has an IMMO,

because I cannot start it with a standard-key,

and I cannot start it either doing the basic ignition trick,

pulling out the wires and ignit it.

IF it has an IMMO, I simply want to remove the IMMO,

and put in my own "anti-theft" !

As an electrical engineer I do NOT trust old electronics NEVER EVER.

I know how badly they can fail, and the less electronics U got in UR CAR, THE BETTER ! ! !

I know how badly electronics can fail, worse scenario:

U found the love of Ur life and ur car fails to start!

Not a good start, dude

I found this link on the internet, showing what the IMMO looks like,

but I am not sure I can trust this link since its

a company in Lithuania, Eastern Europe!

The link is: http://www.codecard.lt/files/Honda%2...20emulator.pdf

Just in case u dudes dont want to click on any link from Lithuania,

I will upload the IMMO-photo

here in an album named "IMMO-Gonna CRACK U"

So what do u Honda dudes say, is that how the IMMO look ?

And how the hell do I locate it ? Where the heck is the ECU-box ?

I do not think this OLD baby has an ECU-box ? cannot find it anywhere!

Thanks in advance!

-mike POP U:S:A
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Old Jul 5, 2010 | 10:30 AM
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there's no immobilizer in your car. There is an ecu in your car. Problem might lie within your radio because in 96-98 civics have the factory alarm built into the radio. Remove the factory radio and your problem will be solved.
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Old Jul 7, 2010 | 05:52 AM
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Thanks for your answer . . . my civic is an european model 1997, so it should have an IMMO, right ? Only american models did not have an IMMO, am I right ?

Furthermore . . . it has a Sony radio&CD model "CDX-C5850R" , so the factory radio has already been removed ?

Thanks in advance!

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Old Jul 7, 2010 | 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by mike_POP_U:S:A
Thanks for your answer . . . my civic is an european model 1997, so it should have an IMMO, right ? Only american models did not have an IMMO, am I right ?

Furthermore . . . it has a Sony radio&CD model "CDX-C5850R" , so the factory radio has already been removed ?

Thanks in advance!

-mike POP U:S:A
well usually when the civic, usually an ex model... has the alarm in the radio we actually relocate the radio that way you can still retain the factory alarm. Only way to know would be to pull apart the panel underneathe the radio where the cigarette lighter is and see if you find the stock radio. They sell a harness that relocates it there so i wouldn't doubt it.
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Old Jul 7, 2010 | 07:38 AM
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Default Re: Immobilizer removal

It has an IMMO . . . the local Honda dealer said so after checking with this specific european model 1997 Honda automatic. Thank you for your quick responses!

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Old Jul 7, 2010 | 07:52 AM
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Somebody in another thread answered this: You don't have an immobilizer. No '96 - '00 US/Canadian civics did, they don't take a special key. European models did however have an immobilizer. ECU is behind the passenger's side kick panel.
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Old Jul 7, 2010 | 07:54 AM
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It cranks but will not start, and I know its because I do not have the chip-key, that gives some kind of start-signal to the IMMO.
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Old Jul 7, 2010 | 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by mike_POP_U:S:A
It cranks but will not start, and I know its because I do not have the chip-key, that gives some kind of start-signal to the IMMO.
ok well there's a big chip in the ecu that you can remove and you'll be good. it will throw a code but other than that you'll be fine. The information doesn't get tossed around much because it's obviously beating the system but a lot of people who get obd2 type r swaps want to retain the ecu and that's the only way of doing it. i believe you'll have to desolder the chip. it's a really tall one.
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Old Jul 8, 2010 | 01:12 PM
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Thanks!

I guess "reprogramming" the IMMO,

and get a new key would be the easiest way to fool smart people ? LOL

But also the safest way ? . . how safe are these old "IMMO-anti-theft" things ?

Will a "standard-car-thief" be able to crack this IMMO in a short amount of time ?

I am asking you because it seems you got ALOT of experience in this field.

It is a joy to read your replies.

Thank you in advance.

-mike POP U:S:A

Last edited by mike_POP_U:S:A; Jul 9, 2010 at 10:04 PM.
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Old Jul 8, 2010 | 01:28 PM
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Default Re: Immobilizer removal

Some dude in another thread gave this reply:

"If its a Euro ECU you pretty screwed IIRC, they aren't like the USDM '00 - '01 Integra ECUs that you can simply remove the immobilizer and have the ECU work (albeit with a constant CEL) you could also solder a dummy unit into these ECUs to remove the CEL. The euro models however use a different immobilizer and I don't know of any way around it."

(He talks about Integra 00-01 but those are not identical to 1997 European Civic ECU, right ?

. . . does this new info makes you want to add any comments ?=

As always THANKS IN ADVANCE!

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Old Jul 8, 2010 | 01:53 PM
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Default Re: Immobilizer removal

I have posted 2 photos in my gallery of the IMMO.

Is this how the BEAST LOL actually looks like ?

https://honda-tech.com/album.php?alb...ictureid=57437

https://honda-tech.com/album.php?alb...ictureid=57436

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Old Jul 8, 2010 | 02:12 PM
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Here are the original photos:


http://www.codecard.lt/files/Honda%2...20emulator.pdf


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Old Jul 8, 2010 | 02:25 PM
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Default Re: Immobilizer removal

. . . again a dude in another thread wrote this:

"my point is the Integra ECUs (same as civic) you can do exactly what you just said, remove the immobilizer and the ECU will work, but have a constant CEL, Euro ECUs don't work that way, without the red learning key your ECU is paperweight"

. . . damn am I screwed now ? ? ?

I refuse to give up . . .

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Old Jul 9, 2010 | 06:08 AM
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Default Re: Immobilizer removal

. . . new info from another thread:

"your pics don't work, again your ECU is a paperweight, You can however use a USDM ECU which is not immobilizer equipped, you may need to add in sensors that may or may not be missing from a European civic"



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Old Jul 11, 2010 | 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by mike_POP_U:S:A
. . . new info from another thread:

"your pics don't work, again your ECU is a paperweight, You can however use a USDM ECU which is not immobilizer equipped, you may need to add in sensors that may or may not be missing from a European civic"



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the euro ecu is most likely going to have different wiring than the usdm. I've seen 3 wire alternator plugs on a canadian obd2a harness one time so i'd be weary of putting in a usdm ecu without first making sure you won't be missing or adding sensors. other than that you should be good. For the time and effort, why don't you get a key? do you have a key already? if so, you can bypass it with a dei part. if you don't have a key, you can try grounding the main relay but i don't know if the ecu will let the injectors fire.
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Old Jul 11, 2010 | 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by mike_POP_U:S:A
. . . Hey I got an identical problem, here goes:

First of all: Hello HONDA-DUDES ! !

I just signed up here, so I pretty much know NOTHING

about whats going on here.

I hope we can have some fun CAR FUN . . . Let the fun begin ! ! !

. . . anyway this is why I am here:

I just bought an old 1997 Honda Civic automatic

in good condition for 500 bucks.

Its not stolen, and I can register it any time, I have checked.

I want to make this baby spin for my gf, is why . . .

If it spins, she may spin too and all for me

First of all I need to get it started, I never thought that would be an issue!

It seems this 1997 old Civic got an IMMO,

damn! Well wonderful, I love teasy stuff ! ! !

The dealer offered me a key for 200 bucks,

and I said NO thanks, I said WHAT ? ? ?

200 BUCKS FOR A KEY ? ? ? ?

I did not tell him that I am an electrical engineer,

and I kind of laughed big time at him,

did not show my laff however

I just laffed cuz I think I got myself a GOOD DEAL . . mmm but did I ? !

I am not a car expert, I work with analog-2-digital converters for satellites.

I wonder how the satelitte-name came about . . . mmm

. . . Well anyway now about one day later,

I realize that this old 1997 Honda baby "PROBABLY GOT" has an IMMO,

because I cannot start it with a standard-key,

and I cannot start it either doing the basic ignition trick,

pulling out the wires and ignit it.

IF it has an IMMO, I simply want to remove the IMMO,

and put in my own "anti-theft" !

As an electrical engineer I do NOT trust old electronics NEVER EVER.

I know how badly they can fail, and the less electronics U got in UR CAR, THE BETTER ! ! !

I know how badly electronics can fail, worse scenario:

U found the love of Ur life and ur car fails to start!

Not a good start, dude

I found this link on the internet, showing what the IMMO looks like,

but I am not sure I can trust this link since its

a company in Lithuania, Eastern Europe!

The link is: http://www.codecard.lt/files/Honda%2...20emulator.pdf

Just in case u dudes dont want to click on any link from Lithuania,

I will upload the IMMO-photo

here in an album named "IMMO-Gonna CRACK U"

So what do u Honda dudes say, is that how the IMMO look ?

And how the hell do I locate it ? Where the heck is the ECU-box ?

I do not think this OLD baby has an ECU-box ? cannot find it anywhere!

Thanks in advance!

-mike POP U:S:A
If you need ignition set with keys I have 96-00 complete set-up with 2 keys a remote & uncut harness fits auto type cars removed from 00 civic let me know I accept paypal http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/honda...fAudioQ5fVideo Flat $70 for you
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Old Jul 12, 2010 | 02:13 PM
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. . great offer, thanks!

Also thank you for your reply!

I will be back . . .

-mike POP U:S:A
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