test results showed 190 190 210 210 from cylinders 1-4. on a cold motor.

I sold a car to a kid who thinks this is not good.

It is a usdm spec itr motor with jun stage 2 cams.

fuel pressure regulator went bad and during diagnosis a compression test was done giving those results.

swap had originally rc 310's in it.

he swapped to 240's and a stock fuel pressure regulator and car was ok.


3 months later he comes to me sayin that motor is shot and one of the sleeves is cracked.

Please give me some responses to show I am not to blame.

Is it possible to have a good a good compression test with a cracked sleeve.

 

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3 months later he comes to me sayin that motor is shot and one of the sleeves is cracked.

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for him to come back to you 3 months later after he probably abused the **** out of it is not your problem.

im not sure about your local laws but around here with a private car sale the buyer does not get a warrenty......

so what does he want from you now?

 

he's not askin for anything, just ruining my reputation as a seller.

I ve been buyin and sellin cars for the last 10 years and this is my first experience with an unhappy buyer.

the thing that gets me is he thinks he knows whats goin on.

the swap was in a hatch i owned for 4 years and raced. I cracked my itr trans on it and parted it out.

Put the longblock with a gsr trans in a gsr shell i had and sold the car off.

He thinks usdm itr swaps are 11.0:1 compression. NOT. 10.6:1

He thinks the compression test results are off. NOT. they are all within 10% of each other.

CRACKED sleeved when I supposedly sold him the car back in November.

NOT possible.

we looked at all fluid levels then oil was pure oil. NO mixture of coolant or oil.

car would not run for this amount of time with the cracked sleeve.

The thing that gets me is he and his brother had the guts to take the head off to try to diagnose a problem (car was running rough and kept stalling out). I thought it was the distributor had them swap that out but no luck. This was back in December. Problem led to be a faulty fuel pressure regulator. Solution they did was stock injectors and stock fuel pressure regulator. They probably put it back together incorrectly and blame the problems on a car I sold to him. NOTE: they never opened a motor before. Did not know any torque specs or sequences.

Fuel pressure regulator problem: there's no way I could ever forsee that failing but it did. Things have a life span.


I just want people to respond that likely hood of me sellin him a car with a cracked sleeve is just not possible.

 

I wouldn't worry about it. Sooner or later in life we all encounter this similar situation and no matter what you do the buyer will not be happy. I realize your reputation is on the line but those who really know the business will realize that irrational people still exist.

For the record, 2 days after I bought my stock 97 dx the check engine light came on with a front o2 code. Nobody's fault but my own for buying a used car that is out of warranty. Luckily I had a stock pile of parts and fixed it realitively easily.

If your customer really wants to push the issue, challenge him to legal action and I can almost guarantee that he wil lose in court. Or simply find out what it is gonna take (resonably) to shut him up.

In most states if he is trying to purposely ruin your name and reputation you'll have a right to sue for slander and/or libel.

You are not without options here.

GOOD LUCK.

 

did you ever do the compression test warm? either way this person is a jackass to think that after 3 months of driving that a cracked sleeve would finally show up. tell him that if the sleeve was cracked when you sold it, it would have run like **** from day 1. this isnt your problem and i wouldnt do buisness with him again. id probally mention the slander thing to him, maybe that would scare him enough to shut up.

 

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the swap was in a hatch i owned for 4 years and raced.

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did he know this when hew bought the car? if so he knew the motor had experienced a lot of stress. im a car salesman and in my state we have a 30-60 day warranty on cars(a lot of states dont even require that)... so youre not liable. you should buy him 1 sleeve and tell him to go stick it where the sun dont shine

 

even if the sleeve was cracked when he got it thats the chance you take when you buy these type of engines. you beat on it for 4 years what does he expect. i would never buy a motor that has seen alot of racing. i believe you however and if hes been ******* with it when he does not know what he was doing then u are in no way liable. if he had a motor rebuilt and he took it apart the builder would not honor it so this should not be any different

 

Good Seller, absolutely no problems with me.
Dave, Its been 6 months since you sold the car. Did the guy beat on it as well? If he didnt know what he was doing then its his problem now.

 

dave is a good seller, been doing this a long time. if the motor had a problem he would have fixed it prior to selling the car. hes not the type to sell fauly ****. dave gets a from me.

 

thanks guys..

I def told him it was a weekend car that it was raced but maintained meticulously.

**** its in my sig that i went 12.5 with that bitch and was dam proud to achieve that with a basically stock itr swapped hatch with cams.

I drove it like it was built for. I never hid anything or said it was never raced. there's been pics of the car racing for the last few years.

**** I even won a IDRC event at maple grove with it. couple semi's for NHRA.

still in search of a wally.

 

anyone with technical info now?

just need others with engine knowledge to state that the results from compression test that were done by him

190 190 210 210 from cylinders 1-4 are OK.

that a cracked sleeve would not give those results also.

 

If a sleeve was cracked you would not see those results as compression would definately find it's way through the crack. So you can tell him that there is not a cracked sleeve because if there was one of his cylinders would be reading WAY LOW like 40psi. The only way he could have a cracked sleeve situation with those numbers is if all 4 sleeves were cracked and the engine originally produced over 300 psi of ranking compression, which sad to say, is an unrealistic number, even if it was the starter would never turn the motor over.

 

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just need others with engine knowledge to state that the results from compression test that were done by him

190 190 210 210 from cylinders 1-4 are OK.

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Not going to happen. Those results are fine. Cracked sleeve is going to cause leak in chamber. *IF* you were lucky enough to crack the sleeve between another sleeve, it could leak into the adjacent cylinder and still in theory keep the compression results "up", but it going to show up with a significant variance... something more like 100-100-210-210. The guy doesn't know what he is talking about. Since the car was setup for 310's and he just swapped back in 240's, did he retune also?

 

no retune. running a chipped ecu.

the thing is he keeps doin search's and coming up that compression test results should be 260.

There's to many variables.

actual compression of motor.
cold or hot motor
actual gauge variances.
amount of carbon build up in head.

I told him as long as results are within 10 % shows good numbers and that there was nothing wrong with it then.

 

This guy sounds like he is having buyers remorse. He either doesn't want or can't afford what he purchased and is looking for a way out. Guys like this you are better off trying to ignore.

 

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i was gonna say this too... i think thats def where the problem came from.

 

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the thing is he keeps doin search's and coming up that compression test results should be 260.

There's to many variables.

actual compression of motor.
cold or hot motor
actual gauge variances.
amount of carbon build up in head.

I told him as long as results are within 10 % shows good numbers and that there was nothing wrong with it then.

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Well, if the ECU is setup to feed fuel for 310's and then he swaps in240's and makes no changes, its going to run lean. I think we can all agree on that. This is problem #1. Problem #2 that I find with all this is that he is doing COLD compression tests. You are supposed to test the engine with it at normal operating temperature. Reading on the net that someone says you "should have" a certain level of compression means nothing. As you mentioned, carbon build up, open or closed throttle, battery voltage, elevation, temperature, gauge, etc will ALL effect compression results. Compression testing isn't supposed to be used to compare numbers with others from around the globe. Its used to get a general idea of how well the chamber is sealing. Doesn't sound like this guy knows what he is doing. He messed with some crap, screwed up, and now wants you to take the fall.

 

first off i dont want anything from money making dave..i was venting to him..

compression test was done by a very respectable mech.

since day 2 the car was running like **** back to back

the car was put back together by me then went to my mech. to get looked yet.

car was sold with nitrous lines but he never ran nitrous yea ok

and for the big thing mr. money making dave who sells all these cars..you told me flat out you didnt even know how to work on cars let alone take off my head and thats why you couldnt help me you had to bring 4 guys with you becuase you know nothing about cars...


Love how you must make a post to make sure your right..no confidence in yourself i see..

cya around money making dave

 

wow stop posting on my name
login on your ****


Modified by ej6.sean at 4:07 PM 6/17/2007

 

 

everyone has a right to vent.

Its not that i don't have confidence. I wanted you to see the post to see that there was no possible way for me to sell you car that had a cracked sleeve. This is a public forum and others who have the technical info you or I don't have can post there explanation of the compression test results without having any favoritism.


I never claimed that i could build a motor. Or fix one. Yes we did try to come over to help diagnose what was wrong with it. You already jumped in and took it apart yourself. Takin a head off is no biggie putting it back together correctly could be the problem. Anyone can take things apart. I don't trust my self to ruin a perfectly good motor I have friends that are mechanics to help.
I would not personally try to put a motor together. I ll do swaps yes. I can' t break a motor that way. But pullin it apart is not my thing. I never claimed to be able to do that. I told you that.

You thought it was a bent valve. I thought that could have been a possiblility also. Chipped ecu didn't have a rev limiter. I don't know how you were driving it or how you racing your friends or even free reving the car.

here's yor comment from myspace back in Nov.

Nov 21, 2006 6:36 PM
no head is fucked..taking apart the head this weekend..bent a valve

Look at your pic you posted we would have seen the scar on the sleeve back in November. You said we wouldn't be able to see that but we even cranked the motor to move the piston up and down you claimed one piston had play in it.
From my recolection we did crank it to move the piston to see if a rod was bent.
Remember that. There was no play in the piston. If you say that we didn't see that dam scar then your crazy.


Problem ended up to be the fuel pressure regulator. YOU said you fixed it and never contacted since. Car was ok after You claimed it to be.

You called me for every little thing. I had no problems anwering your questions.
What was wrong with it after day 2? You said it was all good

I have been racing cars for 10 years not building them. I ve been doin swaps YES.
not opening up motors and putting them back togther. I knew you were in over your head when you were callin me for torque specs and sequences. I don't know or claimed to know that.

AS for not claiming i never sprayed the car is TRUE. I NEVER SPRAYED THE CAR.
used nitrous in anyway when it was in my possesion.

I bought the car used, owner prior to me spayed it. I told that to eveyone who inquired about the car. If i tried to hide it don't you think i woulda pulled the nitrous lines off the swap before i put it in the gsr shell.

I have a conversation from 2004 i saved in my note pad

i did claim it was sprayed.

here's the pm with my old screen name.

(3:05 PM 10/9/2004) dabullet: i have basically just been leaning the car out to get faster. the car needs afc or hondata to get fully tuned.. its still running really rich you can see all unburnt fuel all over the back bumper when getting on the car. the car is also set up with a four fogger but i never liked spray so i never used it . the owner before me sprayed the car 4 times and spanked a low 11 sec turbo honda.
(3:07 PM 10/9/2004) dabullet: the car is not dent free it has lots of dings but looks great in pics. so in no way am i saying the car is mint... i am not **** about the outside of this car since i just use it to run brackets. i do change the oil every 1000 miles though just to keep the motor fresh.
(3:09 PM 10/9/2004) dabullet: plugs are always changed at events. the 12.5 pass i believe was due to new plugs after i leaned the fuel pressure out and not letting the plugs foul out in the stagging lanes. you don't have to change plugs often but the car felt its best that pass. i did get slower 12.5 to the 12.6 and 12.7 but 60 foot times also changed so thats part of it also.
(3:11 PM 10/9/2004) dabullet: i need your email so i can send you pics,


You had the motor back apart back in December and you claim it was checked by your mechanic.

Now in June it has a cracked block.

Tell me how thats possible.

compression tests show that was not possible.

190 190 210 210 ARE GOOD NUMBERS!

how many times are you gonna argue and claim that the motor is NO GOOD!


Modified by monEmakindave at 1:55 AM 6/18/2007


Modified by monEmakindave at 1:58 AM 6/18/2007

 

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that is one bad scratch. how does the piston look?

 

i am vouching that those compression numbers are good. Im an ASE certified tech for lexus however been into hondas for several years. maybe you didnt have the throttle open when you did the compression test? to be honest this thread should just end now because dave is clearly not a scammer, bad seller, nor a liar. and you have nothing to vent about anymore. case closed.

 

thanks.

also here's a response from his brother on my myspace account from Jan.

Jan 2, 2007 5:17 PM Flag as Spam or Report Abuse [ ? ]
Subject: RE: RE: RE: yo
Body: Yeah me neithe im just pissed that wee took the motor apart and thats all it was lol but it's running rally good now. Ill def let you know about everything thanks!!


I guess motor was bad then. Ya OK.

reason you can't try to get anything Corey is i got to much evidence to back myself that i didn't sell you a beat car.

I sold a perfectly good car to someone who didnt know how to drive or maintain it.

You can check to see your myspace account to see how many people say the car was slow.

You just couldn't drive kid.

1. I got slips to prove the motor was good and healthy.

2. compression tests showin it was a healthy motor

3. A comment from your own brother back in Jan car was running fine on myspace.

How much more should I dig up I was not at fault.

 

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lmfao