im wondering what parts are removed or replaced in the valvetrain when you eliminate vtec,I know toda makes some kind of vtec killer cam kit,but im building this setup for boost so the cams wont work fo me.Is there anyone running similar setups?If so plz reply or pm me id like to understand this a little better.If there are any pros-cons to this setup let me know.

 

Disconnect the vtec oil solenoid valve, but why would you want to get rid of it?

 

Im boosting the engine and dont plan to drive the car on the road so i dont need the street driveability,ive heard of people doin this to make the valvetrain "lighter" to make the engine more effiecent maybe rotate a little quicker,Im using this head because it flows all together better than the LS does,Is there a way of simplifying the drivetrain,like have a solid pin in the rocker follower that always uses the secondary lobe, i understand that it will idle bad but thats not really an issue,or is there a different type of cam for this setup,im not the only one thats ever heard of this setup somebody must know? and if i diconnect the vtec oil solenoid valve will that starve the head from oil with boost

 

You can also buy VTEC-killer cams by Toda.

 

check out aftermarket rockers, since all of them eliminate vtec.
ferrea is one of them

 

why not just use the money for headwork for an ls? the motors are cheap and u will have a better flowing head than the gsr if u get the work done. if u already have teh gsr u can sell it and have enough money to buy an ls, get the headwork done, and have money left. i dunno it just seems kinda pointless to me to sput money into a non vtec engine to eliminate the vtec when u could use an ls which has slightly more displacement anyway and is cheaper


just my .02

 

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oops meant vtec

 

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You can edit your posts...

 

ohhhh yeah...lol

 

I have my v-tech always on, and my rocker arms are pind and welded
is that what you mean, If that is what you mean there is an easier way also of doing it (no welding)

 

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damn ur phone bill must be really high

na but seriously, i believe that what the toda vtec killer cams do

 

the toda killer cams are all out n/a race cams and will not work on a turbo car. They would have to be seriously reground. And to the other person who suggested porting a ls head is better than a gsr . It isnt and wont flow better.

 

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damn ur phone bill must be really high

na but seriously, i believe that what the toda vtec killer cams do

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remember this motor is going to be boosted so the killer cams from toda wouldnt work right with this setup...?? correct me if im wrong but the toda cams i believe are designed for strong N/A build?Is there a cam that has more of a turbo profile or would stock cams work with solid rockers?


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDM96SpecCTR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why not just use the money for headwork for an ls? the motors are cheap and u will have a better flowing head than the gsr if u get the work done. if u already have teh gsr u can sell it and have enough money to buy an ls, get the headwork done, and have money left. i dunno it just seems kinda pointless to me to sput money into a non vtec engine to eliminate the vtec when u could use an ls which has slightly more displacement anyway and is cheaper


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well i own 2 LS motors and a gsr and have pondered to build those but there is reason the gsr head is better, im talking fully built VS. fully built ls, the gsr will flow better ,plain an simple better designed head yes i know that a pnp ls with some **** would beat a stock gsr but its not stock.

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have you run this setup or if anyone has? is that all that it replaces is the rocker follower, or is there a kit that you can buy? and also is it still ok to run on a stock cam or will any vtec cam work,something with a good turbo profile would be what i replace with but is the strength diminished with it always riding on the vtec lobe?Somebody with expierence on this subject help me out i want understand this correctly no bs. thank you

 

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you beat me to it LOL i thought so

 

bump anyone running similar setup?????????????????

 

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I have my v-tech always on, and my rocker arms are pind and welded
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like ******* hell you do, you cant even spell it.

show us pictures.

 

bump for some help

 

have you or anyone you know used this setup?anyone? i know im not the only one thats ever heard of this

 

i know its recommended for race only...u will have no low end power unless u have a hell of a built motor

 

well the car is intended for no street use, that what the dc2 is for ha! yeah i understand no low end but thats ok cause the car will not see the street.......to often hehe,but seriously im planning to build the bottom end also with all forged parts im thinking @9.5-10.1 cr slugs with boost and headwork for a high end powerband i dont mind waiting for the power cause at the track the wait is not long,i know to drive this setup around town would suck but thats not the case.So if anyone has expierence with this setup im new to this so any help is appreciated.

 

ttt

 

the toda killers are not for forced induction they are na cams and you would have to match the compressor to the cam which is a 9000 rpm all out race cam. You would also need astronomical valve spring pressure to hold the valves from floating and half your boost would go right out the exhaust because of the cam overlap. Now if you try to dial out the overlap with gears you will hit the valves to the piston or themselves depending on the setup. I would recommend a vafc or standalone to electronically dial in the vtec crossover down to around 1000 rpm if this is still your intent. Or just use ls heads and have them ported.

 

would it be possible to hard wire the vtec solenoid so that vtec would always be engaged or control it with the ecu??

 

vtec always on and vtec never on.... i dont get it... lol theyre like contradictory statements to me... im jk though

 

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well u could use a chip for a low activation, or use a vafc, or an msd rpm switch, and set it however u want. u probly could hard wire it, but i kinda think that might burn it out...