I peaked at 8300 on stock b16a cams

 

strange how alot of you think thats not possible. p/p'd head for a b16 does wonders. i will admit that the peak is damn good for CTR cams


[Modified by MaliceGSR, 7:53 PM 9/12/2002]

 

i did not know filling in someones blanks is considered picking a fite...he failed to be accurate or mention some issues and i infact brought them to light...
a toda expert can still make ignorant statements such as "compression is also an important factor too, but the motor is claimed as stock, unless that claim is false ..." he blatantly missed the possibility of raising compression through flat faced valves, cc werk, milling, etc...well, until AFTER my post...i dont care to argue about anything other that the point of this thread...


[Modified by builthatch, 8:35 AM 9/13/2002]


[Modified by builthatch, 8:36 AM 9/13/2002]

 

Exactly...hp means jack squat! Tq is what wins the race.

 

I was there when this car dynoed.
It actually had a JG Edelbrock header
Runs a chipped single cam ecu and a rpm switch for the vtec
He claimed a untouched stock b16 block and ctr cams ( I believe him )
gsr head and manifold that where heavily modified.
Ericks 70mm tb

very impressive set up, and it is real.


[Modified by TREVER, 9:29 AM 9/13/2002]

 

o.k. now there is another issue here. the claims above on the graph can be miss leading. it said a 1.6 liters ported head and a b16a motor. this means that is has to be a b16a block and head........ and now there is the issue of a GSR head? hum?
Also A LOT of us out there say we have a stock motor when in fact when really don't. the meaning behind the word STOCK has changed over time for all of us.

Now I am not saying that this figure is not possible.... it is but HONESTLY no one but the owner will really now the truth. what does a real crt make to the wheels?

 

What the ****, did everybody and there family go to watch some random guy with a not so "out-of-the-ordinary" engine dyno his shitty car? Maybe hes making those numbers but so what? 190 hp and 110tq? Thats not that much my h22 powered civic is making numbers twice as high....

 

No I didn't go to watch, I work where he came to dyno.
A lot of people were guessing about his set up. I seen it so I thought I would clear it up. 190whp is out of the ordinary for a b16. prove what your making out of your shitty h22. I gaurantee your not making 380 whp

 

I hate H22's sorry, they are designed totally retarted internally and sit really fucked up in any car you put them in.... B series for me!!

 

lets not forget about there lovely trannies, and hydro t/belt tensioners.

 

Damn people are funny.

Originally, the guy had a JDM 4-1 header...and he made like 180 WHP.

Then he switched to a JG Edelbrock and got his head crazy ported and came back to dyno.

I tuned it up a little, and it made almost 190 WHP.

And the cams are CTR, and the block is B16A, NOT bored out for sure. THis guy has been coming to us for years.

My guess is the combination of the header, and the head porting just got lucky, and thats why that thing peaks so high.

Thats a real motor, no BS.

CTR cams
JG Header
Ported head
Cam gears
Fuel pressure regulator
OBD0

NO BULL. He really made that power, and his car I think ran 13's without a problem.

This reminds of an incident in texas, a few incidents....when me and several other people were there...IN PERSON...saw everything, heard everything, inspected everything...

And then...later on...people say I am wrong, or confused or whatever. I guess they forgot I was there? First hand?

This reminds me of that.

I was there, I dyno this guys car for years...

He is legit, a nice guy and has a lucky motor. Without a doubt.

I am still looking for somebody to build a B16A. I know we could make in upwards of 210-220 all motor.

Jeff

 

No. It's the shape of the torque curve.

Cavaliers have more torque than my GS-R.

 

[quote] all i kno is that it was in an EF hatchback, so most likely a PR3/PW0 chipped, not sure on that, i kno he had a GSR head w/ a ported GSR intake manifold, he told me it was stock block, and to take a look at importreviews site, that his was the most HP B16A on the page, car is damn fast for a 1.6[quote]

He just answered averyones questions...If you guys had a clue on what a P&P Gsr head and the intake manafold does to a b series motor..only if you guys knew....
What you guys really need is the all might ITR head... those are the best (being sarcastic)

 

right here, 219hp and 129 lb-ft torque ... b16a motor, and it WAS NOT STOCK !!!

Greg

 

well yeah, thats what i meant basically.

 

If I ever have to build another engine jeff, it will be a B16A (my old motor). High compression fun race motor (road course). I'll keep ya in mind if/when the time comes.

 

189 with 113 is definetly possible. My friend has 185hp with 121 ft lbs tq. We could have had larger HP numbers but we would have lost the TQ. He has a b16A bottom end with stock bore and USDM ITR pistons. His head is ported and milled 15 thousandths with stock valvetrain and Skunk 2 stage one cams. He runs a zedyne computer with the apex vafc. He also has a sleeper NOS kit in case he feels like putting the smack down on a Z06 or some muscle head. Oh yeah his power gains with the NOS is 225hp with 158 ft lbs of tq. Special Sauce

 

I found a site that has a little information on the motor.
http://www.bseries.net/html/dyno/NA....6A_DaveHickman ..


[Modified by GSRTypeR, 5:20 PM 9/27/2002]

 

the head had NO mill, he used a spoon headgasket to raise compression
PR3 pistons not the more comp. p30s

i believe it 100% steve is a good guy and i trust him

 

why?


[Modified by ahcjar103, 7:47 PM 9/27/2002]

 

why not? I think the numbers speak for them self. Would you take advice from someone building b16a motors with 205 @ the wheel? I think so.

 

[quote]Exactly...hp means jack squat! Tq is what wins the race.[QUOTE]

in some sense you are both correct, but it all comes down to..
Area under the torque curve where..

You might as well visualize it [lay plots (at the same scale) on top of each other] to determine which has the most torque.

Yup, maybe at a given point (2000rpm), but GS-R has more torque up high.
Would you rather have a long gear to shift @ redline and pick up the torque at 2000rpm, or short gears to shift @ redline to pick up torque from 5500rpm and up?