What do you guys think I should do now?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by N2O &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Before you go taking the whole head of the car, Pull the cam gears off and make sure that when they were put on the Keys where installed properly. </TD></TR></TABLE>

 

It looks to me me like the cam gears are reversed left to right, they must be marked somehow even though they are same part number. I just looked at mine because I'm doing this right now, but can't post pictures.
Try this, hold two old CD's up to the cams or the picture you posted and mark the CD's with a marker with a "U" at where your UP mark is and an arrow where the alignment marks are, and mark them "L" and "R" how yours are now. Now turn the CD's in a circle, no matter how you turn the CD's the marks and UP's will never line up across from each other, when the UP's are up your marks are opposite.
NOW, switch the CD's, you can line them up correctly now, your cam gears are swithched unless this picture is a reverse but then the P in up would be backwards. Now someone help me find TDC from my post, please see my post with HELP, TDC/ timing.... Jon

 

cam gears are the same for intake and exhaust.

 

The intake and exhaust gears may be the same but are not IDENTICAL, the hash mark for each one is on an opposite side, if you took these two gears off and laid them on top of each other and aligned the UP arrows one would have the hash mark pointing to the left and one hash mark would point to the right, he has his swapped side to side. There is no way around it, no matter how many times he turns these gears they will never align, they must be swapped L to R, R to L. Jon

 

What do you guys think I should do now?

 

did you do what we talked about the other day?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jon K &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The intake and exhaust gears may be the same but are not IDENTICAL, the hash mark for each one is on an opposite side, if you took these two gears off and laid them on top of each other and aligned the UP arrows one would have the hash mark pointing to the left and one hash mark would point to the right, he has his swapped side to side. There is no way around it, no matter how many times he turns these gears they will never align, they must be swapped L to R, R to L. Jon</TD></TR></TABLE>
JON K'S STUPIDITY MAKES ME SICK!
wtf are you talking about? both cams gears have marks every 90 degrees. maybe you should go work on a b-series motor before you talk out of ur ***. BOTH GEARS ARE IDENTICAL. bring the motor to tdc, it is the only real way to tell how far you are off.

 

unless you rotated the picture, the motor is not at TDC. the "up" marks would be pointing up and a little to the left.

 

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JON K'S STUPIDITY MAKES ME SICK!
wtf are you talking about? both cams gears have marks every 90 degrees. maybe you should go work on a b-series motor before you talk out of ur ***. BOTH GEARS ARE IDENTICAL. bring the motor to tdc, it is the only real way to tell how far you are off.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I guess i'm wrong too, I thought that there were marks every 180 degrees, but either way 90 or 180 they are still identical to eachother

 

the left and right ones are just lines....up says up and down is a fatter line if i remember correctly.

 

"JON K'S STUPIDITY MAKES ME SICK!
wtf are you talking about? both cams gears have marks every 90 degrees. maybe you should go work on a b-series motor before you talk out of ur ***. BOTH GEARS ARE IDENTICAL. bring the motor to tdc, it is the only real way to tell how far you are off."KraZEtEggIE

KraZEtEggIE, if I make you sick I guess you'll have to have your MOM make another Dr's appointment for you, until your old enough to use the phone.
wtf am I talking about? Look at the picture posted, there are only the UP stampings and one TDC mark on each of these STOCK timing gears, only aftermarket gears have multiple TDC marks for indexing. Once he brings the motor to TDC and the cam gear TDC marks are still pointing directly opposite of where they're supposed to be what does he do then??
See this post by Katman with clear picture of TDC instructions, only one TDC mark on each cam gear and they must point at each other. i.e. - his gears must be swapped.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=859792
Re: how to get motor on TDC? (siamturbo) » posted on 5/10 - credit to Katman for posting a clear picture.

I can read a manual and these instructions and pictures are the same for my H23 engine no need to work on a B-series to understand instructions and have a very similar setup.

I would remove the belt, take off the cam gears and swap them side to side, align the marks correctly, TDC engine, align crank and reinstall belt to get it right the first time. Obviously someone has tried to time this engine incorrectly, so start from scratch, with a manual in front of you.
Also, CING and FWD CIVIC HATCH came to the same conclusion as I just from the picture and not "talking out of our ***"
I've built a few motors and have a couple of trophys from the dragstip and they're not from a "15sec" pass either, maybe if you put 3 more wings on you'll go faster?
Jon K - "making morons sick daily"


Modified by Jon K at 6:47 PM 5/18/2004
Post edited to reflect correction of use of the word "timing" where "TDC" was the correct term.


Modified by Jon K at 6:49 PM 5/18/2004

 

Just to settle this once and for all, post a pic of your cam gears, but this time show the whole cam gear. there are two marks on each of my gears, and every other set of OEM gears I'v e ever seen. We are not talking about timing marks. We are talking about TDC marks.......There's a huge difference