Hello there! new to this forum
I was wanting in the future to put a h22a type s in my eg or integra. Im planning on getting a shell of one of the two. i already have an eg b16 as my daily so im leaning more towards an integra shell for something different + the displacement change is not as great as an eg.

So, i wouldnt say im an experience backyard mechanic but i do simple servicing to my own car such as oil change etc. I am wanting to do this conversion within the next 2 years, how would you guys go about gaining experience in the world of conversions? Im just not quite sure where to start, i ofcourse read up alot but im wanting to get experience aswell as knowledge
Would be cool to hear how you guys gained your experience

 

If you haven't already gotten the H22 you might want to reconsider. It's nice as it sits, but if you plan on modding it any you can run into problems due to the fiber reinforced cylinder sleeves. A B20VTEC might serve you better. They are torque monsters. Easy to set up, and a lot cheaper than an H22 type S. Can't say off hand, but having test driven both, the B20VTEC seemed to be a lot more torquey than the H22, but I don't have enough miles on the H22 to say for sure. Just make sure if you go the B20VTEC route that you set it up right, as a lot of them are failures.

 

Thanks for the info.
Well my mate had his jdm h22 conversion done for $5800, that includes everything, labour, eninge mounts tranny. drive in drive out. I can get an h22 type s for around 3-4k, and if i do it myself ill save some dough but i wanna do it myself for the fun of it mostly. Im also in Australia so im not sure if a h22 type s conversion would be more expensive in the states?
unless there are more things that need to be done in comparison with a jdm h22 and a type s.

Ive looked into b20vtec but to me a h22 type s looked cheaper and easier correct me if im wrong because b20vtec needs to be fully built and its an engine that wasnt initially designed for vtec...wether that would make a difference
a friend of mine was quoted 7k for a b20vtec in his integra. so im thinking a type s conversion would cost around the same if not a bit cheaper

 

oh hecks no... you can get a b20vtec going for less than 2k, installed, and it's a BEAST... just use the stock b20 block, stock b16 head, free-flowing exhaust, larger aftermarket intake manifold and a high-flowing air cleaner, it should leave an H22 in the dust. With the B series engines you have a larger selection of transmissions also.

 

hmmm. Are you sure lol. ive heard you can buy the parts cheap but its the conversion and building up of the b20 thats pricey.

 

Nah, the B20 blocks are typically in good condition because they were equipped with automatic transmissions (easier on the engine, probably not dogged to death like most manual trans engines). You can get a used b16 head really cheap (especially when missing the intake manifold). Just make sure it's not warped. While the head is off you can check the valve seats, maybe install new valves if you feel like it, and better valve springs, new valve stem seals, check the cams with a dial indicator. But honestly, just leaving it as-is is good enough, just make sure to inspect it to be sure nothing is wrong with it before you throw it all together.

A larger aftermarket intake manifold can be had for cheap, or just use a stock B16 manifold. Don't use a larger throttle body; stick with the stock B16 throttle body.

IMO, you will find the H22 very problematic after a while; and when it's time to modify, you're looking at expensive stuff.

 

Putting it all together is not costly if you have the right tools, namely a torque wrench (necessity). You will need to get new head bolts and a head gasket (golden eagle). You can buy complete conversion kits. In total, it should rack up less than 2k installed DIY.

 

This is just my opinion, though, you should research it, watch some videos on youtube of the different engines in different cars, watch build-up videos, look up prices of kits online... if the h22 floats your boat, more power to you. I am a sucker for a D16 (my fav), and they're not even that powerful in the stock configuration. Just be warned and ask around the forum about H22 common problems. For one, they tend to burn oil like mad. You can't use aftermarket pistons unless you have the block resleeved (there are a few specialty pistons that you can use in the stock sleeves, but why bother?) Hope it all comes together for ya

 

thanks mate, ill keep lookin around and researching. i have a friend coming to visit me who is a mechanic so hopefully he can give me some tips on conversions, hes done some great conversions. anyway i wouldve thought the b20 to be more problematic but thats just from one point of view, youve given me something to think about. thanks again

 

Watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8t0tud1Qh8
That is a single-cam D16 with a turbo on it (good amount of boost). It's so sick it makes me drool. But of course, that wouldn't last very long driving it like this. But it would definitely make mincemeat of a NA H22.

You can build any engine up to make power.

 

damn thats nice! turbo aint in my options though, i prefer NA though. just love it lols

 

Change your name to B20civicman. A B20 would be a lot less of a hassle and you have waaaay better tranny options. (to hell with H2b)

 

ill have to look into it then. b20 is only 1.9 with a b18 head how many kw would that add up around? surely no match for a 2.2 163kw?

 

There is a lot more involved than the displacement. The rod to stroke ratio, the compression, the valvetrain mechanics, etc.. Never tried to use a B18 head. I would assume you're going after a B18C head. You might want to search around and find out what the compression ratio would be. The different B series heads have different combustion chamber volumes, leading to different compression ratios when you interchange the heads. Also take note of the country of manufacture. The USDM and JDM blocks of the same code may have different pistons, hence a different comp ratio. I would assume you're going after a JDM block since you're over in Australia.

 

B20 94-100kW & 180 N-m
H22A7 (Euro-R/Type S) 160kW & 220 N-m

No replacement for displacement!
No need to mix and match with an H22 it's already good to go. As for them burning oil, are you serious? If they have been beaten and/or improperly maintained sure. However I have seen more my B** burns oil, what should I do threads than H22 ones.

It's really a too each his own thing here. As long as the H22 is healthy there shouldn't be any issues. As for swapping pistons, why would you need to do that? 11.6:1 is a pretty good reliable compression ratio for a daily driver.

 

Meh, Im an H guy at heart. Had an H22 swapped cb7 for 6 years. But there are alot more hassles involved when putting an H into a Civic. Not worth the .2 in displacement IMO. The HP numbers are easily obtainable on a B20 with a VTEC head.

 

hmm, i enjoy reading your input. I thought about h22 in my civic but thought id rather get a dc2 shell and put my h22 in that as the difference in displacement is not as great and i really like the look of teg's. Anyway i had a look around and if i were to get h22 or b20vtec done professionally they would end up costing the same.
imo im leaning towards the h22 now because it just feels safer, b20vtec wasnt originally designed for vtec

 

What's wrong with an H2B DCFIVER? I would recommend that as I have driven both engine/transmission packages. Got an oem h22 for $400, b16 tranny for $450, and h2b kit for about $1000. In total, its around $1,850 and kicks the b20vtec in the butt. What are your thoughts?

 

As stated, the oil burning is a *COMMON* problem. Just do a search on the internet I'm sure you will find more than enough cases of it occurring. I've known a lot of people that were unhappy with their H22's, myself included. It was the best option for my Accord, and I was very disappointed.

The horsepower numbers as stated don't mean much. There's a lot of decisive factors besides HORSEPOWER @ BLAH RPM. I've heard enough mustang owners, and even dodge ram owners (LOL) ramming their horsepower numbers down my throat. Besides, a B20 VTEC can beat those numbers with a few simple modifications. Acceleration also depends a lot on the transmission. The H-series trans is nothing to get excited about. Even the D series has a better selection of transmissions.

Not to mention your numbers are wrong. You're referencing a bone stock B20 non-VTEC. The B20 VTEC should make about equivalent wheel horsepower as the h22.

As for needing pistons, let's say you wanted to add a small nitrous shot. H22 can't (at least safely) unless you want to dump more than a grand into prepping the block. Same deal with a turbo. Need lower compression? Need to resleeve. The b20b block is already low compression, and b20z block is already mid-high compression.

 

Honestly I'm not an H22 fanboy. However, I'm really not into hybrids ether. The "G23 or G22" builds are pretty much the same thing only using the F23/F22 block with H22A/F20B VTEC head. If I had to choose I would stick to the one that came built for performance. The CRV doesn't exactly scream high revving performance to me.

Now if your going to tear down the B20 and actually build it from the ground up specifically for N/A or boost. I say cheers to ya

 

Nothing wrong with it if you can get a good deal like you got. But realistically if you're starting from scratch it is so much easier swapping in a B20 and putting a VTEC head on. Also have you done an oil change on your H2b yet? A bit of a bitch changing that filter huh? Does your hood close all the way? Do you have ground clearance problems?? All of these things are issues with a H swapped Civic and more so with an H2b set up.

 

True, my hood issues were crazy because I have a crx, but I think it's as easy as running hood spacers for EG chassis as the OP states he might get. My oil filter didn't seem too bad (maybe cause I'm skinny lol) I based my comments off the performance to cost ratio and assuming he isnt bothered with other complications.

 

My mate is getting a h22 put in his dc2 this week so ill see how it fits and what the clearance is like. It sucks i wont be able to do this type of stuff myself but ive got a couple friends who are mechanics and love doing conversions so next time they have a project ill help them out and get experience that way.

a h2b would be awesome, just depends if i have the extra dough at the time. i can use my b16 gearbox i have atm when the time comes