Erdinc Akay

Hello there,
i know that this topic has been covered a few times already, but i couldnt actually find a thread that really helped me.

I am willing to build an AWD Civic with the EG(HB) chassis for daily/racing purposes.
The car has to go through the german MOT(TÜV).
The AWD Conversion is for Tarmac-use only.

Pro:
-More Traction during acceleration and corner exit.

Contra:
-More Weight

Ive seen a few AWD Eg's which had either a 4G63 Mitsubishi engine and Drivetrain, a CRV drivetrain, or a Civic Wagovan drivetrain, but non really appealed to me. The "First EG AWD K20" on Youtube actually inspired me.

Im going to get an completely empty EG Chassis without engine or anything, so the only restrictions are in the Chassis.
But i would like to install an high revving Honda VTEC engine(B18, B16, K20, K24).
Also i would prefer it to install a complete Drivetrain with 3 Differentials from another AWD-Car if possible to save money and time.

PS:
No, im not broke and im pretty sure that i can afford this project - money and timewise.
No, i wont buy a Subaru or Mitsubishi to keep things simple.
No, this is not impossible.

Thanks to everyone to help me with this.

HondaPartsHero

There is no DIY thread for this. You'll have to piece together info, experiment, and PM people in forums who have done this. So what is your question exactly?

grumblemarc

iTrader: (4)

This is a custom project. There will be no step-by-step. No DIY. You will have to overcome any problems you encounter as they occur. The only way not to have issues is to follow someone else's AWD project and copy it down to the last nut and bolt.

Erdinc Akay

I dont want a DIY.
I want a suggestion which Drivetrain/Engine i should use and what i have to care about.

Or are there any AWD Projects you know about? I couldnt find useful ones.

grumblemarc

iTrader: (4)

This is a custom project. You are only limited by your skill, time and imagination. A Google search would get you all of the answers you would need. Sounds like you just want someone to just hand you everything you need.

Erdinc Akay

Sounds like i want someone who knows a good AWD Drivetrain that fits on the EG.
An answer like:
I mean... thats what a forum is about, isnt it?
Information input & output?

You help me with this project and i maybe help you with something else in another thread.

grumblemarc

iTrader: (4)

Sorry. I guess you aren't grasping the concept of "custom". Someone took a whole Subaru and stuffed it into a Civic shell. That was custom. Lot's of skill and talent went into it. Not once did he ask how to do it. I've never seen anyone that has done one of these ask. They just did it. You're not the first person to pose this question. Oh. And you want to use a drivetrain no one has ever used before.

Google. 1,480,00 results.
https://www.google.com/search?sugexp...-8&q=awd+Civic
Honda-tech. 156,000 results
https://www.google.com/search?sugexp...w=1594&bih=842
If you cannot find what you are looking for here then you aren't looking hard enough.

I can guarantee you will NEVER complete this project.Maybe not even start it.

Erdinc Akay

So is there an actual rule that someone who does a custom project has to do it completely by himself without any help?
Is it a Copyright issue that i cant receive any suggestions by anyone else on the world?

grumblemarc

iTrader: (4)

Does this sound right to you? "I'm going to try and do a totally original thing. Someone tell me what I need to do."
Like I said; you aren't grasping the concept of "custom". Good luck.

Former User

I edited your thread title to focus on this^ specific tech question.

92lxsleeper

well.... instead of converting yours... it might be cheaper to import an AWD civic or teggy from japan they DO exist. its gonna be hard to source parts tho. i was thinking before of doing either a CRV awd swap when i had my eg, and using a b16 instead of the b20. or using a k24 from a new crv with that awd transmission and 1st gen crv rear diff....

but one major drawback is MONEY!

grumblemarc

iTrader: (4)

From the net. There are quite a few others. Your criteria is too vague.

Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution
Basic Features and Specifications
2.0-liter DOHC MIVEC turbocharged engine
291 hp
Super All Wheel Control (S-AWC)

Subaru Impreza 2.5i
Basic Features and Specifications
2.5-liter SUBARU BOXER engine
170 hp
Symmetrical All-Wheel Drive

Volvo S60 T6 AWD
Basic Features and Specifications
3-liter turbocharged engine
300 hp
Collision Warning with Auto Brake

Suzuki SX4 Crossover AWD
Basic Features and Specifications
2.0-liter DOHC 16-valve engine
150 hp
3-Mode i-AWD (intelligent All-Wheel-Drive)

BMW 535i xDrive Sedan
Basic Features and Specifications
3.0-liter 6-cylinder TwinPower Turbo engine
300 hp
xDrive - intelligent all-wheel-drive

Porsche 911 Turbo
Basic Features and Specifications
3.8-liter 6 cylinder engine
500 hp
Porsche Traction Management (PTM)

Acura TL SH-AWD
Basic Features and Specifications
3.7 liter SOHC VTEC 24-valve V6 engine
305 hp
Super Handling All-Wheel Drive (SH-AWD)
Infiniti G37x AWD
Basic Features and Specifications
3.7-liter 24-valve DOHC V6 engine
328 hp
Intelligent All-Wheel Drive and Snow Mode

Audi S4
Basic Features and Specifications
3.0-liter supercharged DOHC V6 engine
333 hp
Quattro four-wheel drive (4WD) system

Saab 9-3 Sports Sedan
Basic Features and Specifications
2.0 liter 16 valve turbocharged engine
210 hp
XWD (cross wheel drive)

deschlong

iTrader: (8)

Europe has access to 4WD EG Civics already - the 4dr RTSi Sedan was sold in Switzerland, and possibly other places like Austria. I have seen one owned by someone in the Czech Republic, and I saw a whole pile of them for sale once on a Hungarian used car website (which I wish I could find again). Search for the 'EH1' chassis code.

Find one of these and you are already well on your way. Keep the Sedan look or transfer what you can to the Hatchback chassis.

Erdinc Akay

I checked most of the systems you posted and everyone seems to be either too new and expensive(SH-AWD) or not too good on tarmac(xCross).

The Civic EH1 might be 4WD, but its really not performance-orientated. The Rear-Wheels start to accelerate only, if the Front-Wheels are already spinning = delay = bad cornering.

Im having now some time to do some research. Thanks for your help so far.

98cdmej6

ferrari FF

but really, i doubt there will be any "perfomance" you will gain.

one of the reasons why hondas are so nimble is partly becouse they are light, and your gonna add 200lbs(more than likely underestimate) which will do nothing for cornering

and like gumbles says its CUSTOM, custom mounts, axles, chassis fab,.

the types of people who do things like this dont ask Qs they just do it. becouse theres so much unexpected hassle, you just have to kinda wing it, S.W.A.G. scientific wild *** guess, real swag hahaha

92lxsleeper

with all the trouble to convert. it may be more rewarding to just put the engine in the rear and make it RWD just import AWD rear spindles so you can use axles on them. or use rear wagovan suspension

98cdmej6

1. buy 4WD EH1
2. boost it
3.????
4.profit

Erdinc Akay

Well, there is actually a possible performance gain.
And i can only achieve that gain, if i do it with the right AWD system.
Indeed, if i buy an EH1 i might be faster on bad surface, but not on the track.

As far as i know the BMW xDrive uses expensive sensors to detect when to transport Torque to which Tire. Would it be possible to bypass these sensors through manual input?
Like when accelerating out of the corner to press a button with a pre-saved setting for 30/70(20/50). and a few other buttons with other configuration?
Would be a hell of button pressing while driving, but i suppose it would be worth it, wouldnt it?
(Sorry if i talk bullshit, i am actually new to this terrain of limited budget... till now all my ideas were just fictional and had no restrictions.)

98cdmej6

what the hell would you put as a manual input????
"oh, i can see from my rear veiw that the right rear tire has %42.45697 too much trq better turn that down with noob #3"
there is no amount of botton pushing that can keep up with how fast 4wd computers shift power around the different wheels.

Erdinc Akay

It was meant more like
"Oh, a sharp corner, lets press *** 3 for powersliding."

Or just a fixed amount of torquesplit between rear and front and 2 normal LSD's for each axle?

I mean, on the track there is almost no unpredictable tractionloss on the tire. Its just the weight transfer and the corner angle which causes the fixed torquesplit to fail. Taking this into account... couldnt i actually hook it up to my Gas-pedal, Steeringwheel and Speedometer?

Dependend on the Pedal-position the Middle Differential could either transfer the torque to the front or rear axle.
Dependend on the Speed and Steering-Angle the rear Differential could either transfer the torque to the left or the right side.

grumblemarc

iTrader: (4)

I still see you don't get the concept of "custom". This is all stuff you'd have to figure out as you went. If someone else had actually done it BEFORE you then you could just follow their build.

Black R

How about later 4wd crv kswap?

There's a guy in here who did it to his EF, so why not eg?

Erdinc Akay

Because its not meant for Cornering and fast Acceleration.
Its made for not getting stuck in bad terrain.

94preludeguy

Why not just buy a 4WD EF??

JAYROE

Great idea! Have pondered this myself. Will be watching for future updates.