not gonna do a back and forth with safety as a debated item, but i'm glad for good debate.

cheers

 

You brought it up. Specifically how it would eventually be the last straw for laws to be put in affect against the entire scene (regarding OEM wheels being the only legal wheel).

Not to mention that hellaflush has NOTHING to do with OEM or aftermarket wheels. It's about that cambered out look, which can be achieved with stock wheels as well.

It might not be safe, but the main complaint here doesn't seem to be safety. The main complaint is that people don't like the look. They think it's dumb and they think it's all about looks and would rather everyone be on wide, meaty track tires.

It would be boring if all our cars were the same or built to the same spec or style. I would much rather see a million cars on the road that I don't like than everyone biting off me.

 

Hey guys, I've been around the scene since the mid-90s and loving every style thats came up since then, but I am getting tired of the Hellaflush scene only because it attracts so many kids and those who haven't "grown up" yet. I actually haven't owned a Honda since November of 2010 and have since moved on to G35 Sedan and I always pride on being a auto enthusiast and not just a "style enthusiast" or I got more of this or I got a more expensive this then you.

Main thing is that I guess it seems to me that its a scene for kids now these days and I feel I have no place in this so-called Honda scene. And also nothing new coming out anymore like back in the day when the B swaps started to get crazy and then the rare imported parts. Then K series etc etc. Now everytime I go to a show or read a magazine its ALL the same; no matter how many different wheel setups or paint schemes I see, its all the same now.

I like the look but its time to move on guys.

 

The people who aren't into it for the scene aren't going to come or go with fashions and fads. I agree that the Honda scene is in kind of a weird place right now, but honestly Honda enthusiasts have always demonstrated what I would consider to be pretty poor taste. Mostly that's because Honda's are cheap and mods/personalization is accessible to young people without much disposable income but who want to call attention to themselves.

But I don't care about the scene. I like these cars because they are thoughtfully engineered and reliable, and because they combine high-tech, rev-happy engines with sub-3000 lb. chassis and fully independent suspensions. It's ta recipe for a highly-customizeable car that is fantastic to drive. These facts will never change and they are the reason why my garage will always have room for a mid/late 90s Honda regardless of whatever other cars I eventually own.

 

Personally, I think there have been much worse trends than hellaflush like the peak of the ricer movement in the late 90's/early 2000's. I mean come on, the scene was rife with gaudy bodykits and ridiculous headlight/tailight conversions. Let us not forget the NOPI nationals and Hot Import Nights/Daze cars shows that filled many of us w/ dread.

People built their cars as though lots of stickers and the color yellow actually gained hp. If anything the trends have gotten better over the last 10+ years. IMHO, the hellaflush style is a FAR cry from the bad old days of Erubuni, Wings West, Black Widow, APC, or anything that contained the word "combat" in it's name.

 

You know what killed the "scene"? Two words. Fast and Furious. I watched it happen.

 

Not all import communities are like this, that's why I'm a dsm guy. They have had their rice fad, back in the late 90's. But now it's nothing but lowered cars with wheels, and an performace out the ***. There is no "hellaflush" in the dsm world. Just stock bodies, they are all about performance and that's it.

 

iddddkkkk man..... live and let live.. build your car how you want to.. in the end we all get our inspiration from each other. all of our cars have a little bit of someone elses car in it.
that is. we all get bits and pieces of inspiration from people and add your own twist to it... thats the nature of this "scene".. you could just as easily say anything in this "scene" is a fad. just like you could say anything is a lifestyle.

for example.. speed is a fad. b series swaps is a fad. lsv is a fad.. blah blah..
if youre worried about the fad then somethin aint right.

like dude buddy said earlier. respect the blood sweat and tears that is put into a car. all of us spend countless hours and dollars into what somebody else might frown upon and say..you spend that much on that?! wtf

in the end we put together a mixture of different ideas and cues from different people and their cars to build our cars. and all we can do is respect each other and realize that everyone does whatever the **** they want. so again.. just live and let live

 

as far as this hellaflush deal goes, I personally don't care what people do. Yeah sure people think its "killing the scene" when its really not. Its just like body kits, 20s, Nos, everything that has came and went. Its sparks interest throughout, and actually brings people in. People come into the car scene for different things, Some people do it to make the car look good, or bad...w/e. People build cars for shows, and nothing else. Hellaflush is a show thing....Just like hotrods. People show them off because, well..there becoming rare, and like to make them look good. You dont see a 100% restore thats prestine at the track do you? Others get into the scene to be a go-fast racecar driver. Build a car for a function. go fast...or what have you. Those people like the aspect of making a slow car, turn faster times at the strip, or circuit, in whatever way possible. Or just making a slow *** turd walk out on cars that are apparently fast from factory. Like a boosted crx. there slow....but its always funny to **** on a camaro ss, or gto that some douche bought n tried to make you look dumb.

I personally don't care what people do to there cars, I enjoy everything. hellaflush or not. Its there thing, there car, there style. not mine... Its like hating on people who wear a certian clothing line.... Its what they like. Not what you like. People saying that things are destroying the scene, really guys? People hate on hondas all the time...but what do you say to them? Its my choice, not yours...its your choice what you drive. So, why would you hate on people who make a car theirs. Car modification is all about personalization....not about whats "in". Most people mistake that. Thats whats ruining the scene. Haters... but, hey. There is always someone who has something to say about something. Oh, eff your fake wheels, my RPF1s are legit....yeah so are the 50 other sets running around town. Who cares....Its a car, its mine, **** off. If you don't like it, tough. Don't like seeing it at meets, don't come. Can't stand people being themselves and having a style they like, leave the scene, and go get an F-body. Things wont change because of people bitching. Itll change when people suck it up, and appreciate people being unique. No one likes people copying there style...so let people have there own.


ok... im done. im just ranting now..










hella-flush gets the bitches.

 

I like this guy. Mainly that last part.

 

It's a lady^

 

Not a guy.

 

i really want to thank everyone for contributing to the discussion

 

I definitely hear you man. As for driving cars, i don't mean it literally as a daily driver. But when people build something that looks like a purpose built car, you would think it would eventually hit the streets. One car that particularly comes to mind is the that blue bug eye impreza from first class fitment that doesn't even run.

Everyone has the right to build cars for what ever reason they want. Just think it's stupid that people hate so much on this style,
like the other guy said. If you've been in the seen long enough, you have seen things that are MUCH MUCH worse than this!

totally agree! Similar of how the street racing scene in the bay area died at one point


Very true, but a lot of that had to do with the evo coming to the US. Plus for a good while mistubishi's where the front runners for the F&F seen...either way to me John Shepard still owns/races thee baddest f'n talon there is!

 

I think that has a lot to do with the fact that DSMs haven't aged as well as Hondas nor are they as nice inside (at least compared to Integras). But they are cheap to make fast, so they will appeal to that kind of enthusiast more than the style-over-substance type.

Of course like others have pointed out, they did have their phase.

 

And get stolen so often by people who don't know the idea of hard work, so much that its almost not worth owning anymore. When people have to look over their shoulder 2 times just to make sure they aren't followed, it gets to a point where you don't want to be in the scene anymore. I'm almost to that point myself. And I've owned them since the Honda Import community started

 

I'm not sure if we're thinking of the same car... Either way though, your post reminds me of Forum Fest in WA this year. There was a blue WRX that wasn't even touching the ground. Beautifully built car, but it looks very much built for the track, yet doesn't ever see it. There wasn't even a swirl or chip on this entire car.

I think I heard the car also has to do with his dad though, that they built it partially together and then his dad passed away. So I can relate to that. There were a lot of haters of the vehicle when I was there though, and knowing the story makes me think even less of those people.

In the end though, it's his car. If he wants what is basically a 1:1 scan working model, then that's all up to him. I still don't really get why people get upset about what others do to the cars except for one thing.

Uncommon models or models that are getting harder to find, much less in great condition.

It would be a shame, imo, to see someone take an Infiniti M30 convertible and weld a top onto it (this car was in production for the US only and only for three years, with numbers rumored to be between 5,000 and 12,000 made, with half being convertibles), or to take even a mint condition, 12,000 mile '88 CRX and strip it out, swap it and make it into a track car (what's the point when all you really need is the chassis anyway?).

 

LEAVE HELLAFLUSH TO VW'S AND VIP'D CARS.

/THREAD.

 

Umm, no... No it doesn't. I picture "Hey, are your round things, like, falling off, or like broken?"

 

Why is it more acceptable to have a hellaflush Jetta compared with a hellaflush Civic sedan?

 

I saw a Scion TC last week at the local car meet. It was stanced but super clean and neat. The wheels were gorgeous, in fact everything was gorgeous. I noticed it was turboed and thats what made me come over to speak to the guy. He was really cool and we talked for a bit about his car. I asked how much power it made and how quick it was and I was impressed by the figures. I somehow managed to leave at the same time as him, thinking, "cool maybe we'll line up on the highway",... NO! He was going 18mph on the on ramp and slow as f*ck on the highway.. sparks coming off his exhuast on larger dips in the pavement. I almost felt sorry for him, knowing he would never enjoy his car just because he wants to show up people with his stance and flushness. Now IMO that is what the car world is coming to. Who can be the bigger show off, and say they have this and that. But they have a car they cant enjoy nor can it do the things it had the potential for.

 

Because VW's are crap anyway lol And they started the "hellaflush"

 

Umm, quoting a video...

Umadbro?

 

Uh no. Lowriders have been doing this for decades.

 

How was I quoting a video? And no I'm not mad that in your mind you think that you get girls, and think your "hellaflushness" get's them for you. Not sure what world you live in, but whatever. But I'm not gonna sit here and argue with you because you seem to be quite low on the IQ scale.

And I'm engaged so I could car less about getting girls by being hellaflush