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Coilover Question?
Which coilovers are better? Which ones should I get? Ground controls or Omnipower adjustable springs? Ground controls are around $300 and the Omnipowers are about $150.
I was wondering how you measure the height of a car? I know there is a certain way it is suppose to be done but I dont know the way. I found it earlier on google but stupid me did not save the link.
THis is how someone said to measure the coilovers b4 you put them on the car: Measure to the point where u want it to sit the adjustble things
i thought you just measure the top of the coilover to the point where the adjustable thing is?
Would that work?
I was wondering how you measure the height of a car? I know there is a certain way it is suppose to be done but I dont know the way. I found it earlier on google but stupid me did not save the link.
THis is how someone said to measure the coilovers b4 you put them on the car: Measure to the point where u want it to sit the adjustble things
i thought you just measure the top of the coilover to the point where the adjustable thing is?
Would that work?
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Re: Coilover Question? (dawrenn)
Questions like this never get a useful answer. Since we don't know anything about what you are hoping to achieve with a new suspension, there's no way to tell you what direction you should go, let alone what coilovers are "best." Hell, you didn't even mention how or why you narrowed down your search to GC or Omni. Those aren't the only options.
Finally, measuring the height of the car has no "correct way." There are plenty of threads on this already. Personally, I measure from the jack point to the ground. Others from the fender to the wheel rim. Others from the perch to the bottom of the sleeve. It depends on what data you want and how you are going to use it.
-travis, who thinks the "best coilover" is one that he has on his own car because he did his homework and knows how to ask the right questions...
Finally, measuring the height of the car has no "correct way." There are plenty of threads on this already. Personally, I measure from the jack point to the ground. Others from the fender to the wheel rim. Others from the perch to the bottom of the sleeve. It depends on what data you want and how you are going to use it.
-travis, who thinks the "best coilover" is one that he has on his own car because he did his homework and knows how to ask the right questions...
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Re: Coilover Question? (travis)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by travis »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Questions like this never get a useful answer. Since we don't know anything about what you are hoping to achieve with a new suspension, there's no way to tell you what direction you should go, let alone what coilovers are "best." Hell, you didn't even mention how or why you narrowed down your search to GC or Omni. Those aren't the only options.
Finally, measuring the height of the car has no "correct way." There are plenty of threads on this already. Personally, I measure from the jack point to the ground. Others from the fender to the wheel rim. Others from the perch to the bottom of the sleeve. It depends on what data you want and how you are going to use it.
-travis, who thinks the "best coilover" is one that he has on his own car because he did his homework and knows how to ask the right questions...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Where are the jack points? What kind of measurement would it be if you measured form the perch to the bottom of the sleeve? I am planning on using the car as a daily driver.
Finally, measuring the height of the car has no "correct way." There are plenty of threads on this already. Personally, I measure from the jack point to the ground. Others from the fender to the wheel rim. Others from the perch to the bottom of the sleeve. It depends on what data you want and how you are going to use it.
-travis, who thinks the "best coilover" is one that he has on his own car because he did his homework and knows how to ask the right questions...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Where are the jack points? What kind of measurement would it be if you measured form the perch to the bottom of the sleeve? I am planning on using the car as a daily driver.
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Re: Coilover Question? (dawrenn)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dawrenn »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Where are the jack points? What kind of measurement would it be if you measured form the perch to the bottom of the sleeve? I am planning on using the car as a daily driver. </TD></TR></TABLE>
The jack points are on the frame behind the front wheel and in front of the rear wheel. I measure from this point because of the rules of my roadrace class (although it's a conservative place to measure). It's a good point for other cars because it doesn't take into account body damage, tire height, or suspension binding like a tire-to-fender measurement might include. Measuring from the perch to the bottom of the sleeve is a good place to start when you install the suspension. It's also a good way to do small suspension adjustments when you want to be accurate (like lowering your car 0.25" all around).
Where are the jack points? What kind of measurement would it be if you measured form the perch to the bottom of the sleeve? I am planning on using the car as a daily driver. </TD></TR></TABLE>
The jack points are on the frame behind the front wheel and in front of the rear wheel. I measure from this point because of the rules of my roadrace class (although it's a conservative place to measure). It's a good point for other cars because it doesn't take into account body damage, tire height, or suspension binding like a tire-to-fender measurement might include. Measuring from the perch to the bottom of the sleeve is a good place to start when you install the suspension. It's also a good way to do small suspension adjustments when you want to be accurate (like lowering your car 0.25" all around).
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Re: Coilover Question? (travis)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by travis »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The jack points are on the frame behind the front wheel and in front of the rear wheel. I measure from this point because of the rules of my roadrace class (although it's a conservative place to measure). It's a good point for other cars because it doesn't take into account body damage, tire height, or suspension binding like a tire-to-fender measurement might include. Measuring from the perch to the bottom of the sleeve is a good place to start when you install the suspension. It's also a good way to do small suspension adjustments when you want to be accurate (like lowering your car 0.25" all around).</TD></TR></TABLE>
When I am measuring what kind of measurements would I be getting? Will I be able to find out how much the car has been lowered? If not what will I find out?
The jack points are on the frame behind the front wheel and in front of the rear wheel. I measure from this point because of the rules of my roadrace class (although it's a conservative place to measure). It's a good point for other cars because it doesn't take into account body damage, tire height, or suspension binding like a tire-to-fender measurement might include. Measuring from the perch to the bottom of the sleeve is a good place to start when you install the suspension. It's also a good way to do small suspension adjustments when you want to be accurate (like lowering your car 0.25" all around).</TD></TR></TABLE>
When I am measuring what kind of measurements would I be getting? Will I be able to find out how much the car has been lowered? If not what will I find out?
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Re: Coilover Question? (dawrenn)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dawrenn »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
When I am measuring what kind of measurements would I be getting? Will I be able to find out how much the car has been lowered? If not what will I find out?</TD></TR></TABLE>
That depends on where you are measuring. It doesn't really matter where you measure as long as you measure in the same place each time. Personally, I use the jack points, so you can measure your jack points at the stock ride height. If you want to lower your car 2", adjust the springs until your measurement at the jack points is 2" less than it was before. If you choose to measure the fender to wheel gap, it's the same thing. Just make sure you measure a part of the car that will move in relation to the suspension (don't measure from the LCAs, for example).
When I am measuring what kind of measurements would I be getting? Will I be able to find out how much the car has been lowered? If not what will I find out?</TD></TR></TABLE>
That depends on where you are measuring. It doesn't really matter where you measure as long as you measure in the same place each time. Personally, I use the jack points, so you can measure your jack points at the stock ride height. If you want to lower your car 2", adjust the springs until your measurement at the jack points is 2" less than it was before. If you choose to measure the fender to wheel gap, it's the same thing. Just make sure you measure a part of the car that will move in relation to the suspension (don't measure from the LCAs, for example).
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Re: Coilover Question? (dawrenn)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dawrenn »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I dont know the stock ride height.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Dude, seriously...slow down and read before you reply. Your car is at it's stock ride height right now. Go measure it.
Dude, seriously...slow down and read before you reply. Your car is at it's stock ride height right now. Go measure it.
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Re: Coilover Question? (travis)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by travis »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Dude, seriously...slow down and read before you reply. Your car is at it's stock ride height right now. Go measure it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
No its not. When I bought the car it came with Eibach pro kit. I do not have the stock springs.
Dude, seriously...slow down and read before you reply. Your car is at it's stock ride height right now. Go measure it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
No its not. When I bought the car it came with Eibach pro kit. I do not have the stock springs.
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Re: Coilover Question? (dawrenn)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dawrenn »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
No its not. When I bought the car it came with Eibach pro kit. I do not have the stock springs.</TD></TR></TABLE>
That's not my point. You're lowering your car, right? From where it is right now, right? Well measure it where it is right now and that's your starting point (stock or otherwise, it's the starting point).
No its not. When I bought the car it came with Eibach pro kit. I do not have the stock springs.</TD></TR></TABLE>
That's not my point. You're lowering your car, right? From where it is right now, right? Well measure it where it is right now and that's your starting point (stock or otherwise, it's the starting point).
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Re: Coilover Question? (travis)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by travis »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That's not my point. You're lowering your car, right? From where it is right now, right? Well measure it where it is right now and that's your starting point (stock or otherwise, it's the starting point). </TD></TR></TABLE>
I get what you are saying now but I still was trying to find out how much it is lowered now.
I get what you are saying now but I still was trying to find out how much it is lowered now.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dawrenn »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I get what you are saying now but I still was trying to find out how much it is lowered now.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Okay, so your car is lowered and you don't know how much. The only way to get an accurate measurement of "how much" is to compare the current ride height to the published stock ride height. Either way, it would just be to satisfy curiosity, because none of that will matter when you replace the suspension. If you want to replace your suspension but keep the current ride height, you can do that. If you want to lower or raise your car from the current ride height, you can do that too. Any of those options will require an adjustable coilover kit and a ruler as described above. Maybe it would help if you explained why you are changing the suspension as I mentioned in my first reply.
I get what you are saying now but I still was trying to find out how much it is lowered now.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Okay, so your car is lowered and you don't know how much. The only way to get an accurate measurement of "how much" is to compare the current ride height to the published stock ride height. Either way, it would just be to satisfy curiosity, because none of that will matter when you replace the suspension. If you want to replace your suspension but keep the current ride height, you can do that. If you want to lower or raise your car from the current ride height, you can do that too. Any of those options will require an adjustable coilover kit and a ruler as described above. Maybe it would help if you explained why you are changing the suspension as I mentioned in my first reply.
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Re: Coilover Question? (travis)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by travis »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Okay, so your car is lowered and you don't know how much. The only way to get an accurate measurement of "how much" is to compare the current ride height to the published stock ride height. Either way, it would just be to satisfy curiosity, because none of that will matter when you replace the suspension. If you want to replace your suspension but keep the current ride height, you can do that. If you want to lower or raise your car from the current ride height, you can do that too. Any of those options will require an adjustable coilover kit and a ruler as described above. Maybe it would help if you explained why you are changing the suspension as I mentioned in my first reply.</TD></TR></TABLE>
It is just curiosity. I want to replace the suspension and lower the ride height. I want to lower the car becuase it is not low enough for me. I also want stiffer suspension. Right now I am riding with stock shocks.
Okay, so your car is lowered and you don't know how much. The only way to get an accurate measurement of "how much" is to compare the current ride height to the published stock ride height. Either way, it would just be to satisfy curiosity, because none of that will matter when you replace the suspension. If you want to replace your suspension but keep the current ride height, you can do that. If you want to lower or raise your car from the current ride height, you can do that too. Any of those options will require an adjustable coilover kit and a ruler as described above. Maybe it would help if you explained why you are changing the suspension as I mentioned in my first reply.</TD></TR></TABLE>
It is just curiosity. I want to replace the suspension and lower the ride height. I want to lower the car becuase it is not low enough for me. I also want stiffer suspension. Right now I am riding with stock shocks.
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Re: Coilover Question? (dawrenn)
dood...go with coilovers...happened to me before. i drop my car with H&R but ain't happy about it.
Now with the coilovers, my front tires are tucked a good 1.5" and I have no rubbing or anything like that.
Slam that and I am sure you will be glad
go with omni or skunk2 full coilovers or(gc/koni). I'm currently using H&R full coilover and I drop it to the last thread available.
Now with the coilovers, my front tires are tucked a good 1.5" and I have no rubbing or anything like that.
Slam that and I am sure you will be glad
go with omni or skunk2 full coilovers or(gc/koni). I'm currently using H&R full coilover and I drop it to the last thread available.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by apm »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">dood...go with coilovers...happened to me before. i drop my car with H&R but ain't happy about it.
Now with the coilovers, my front tires are tucked a good 1.5" and I have no rubbing or anything like that.
Slam that and I am sure you will be glad
go with omni or skunk2 full coilovers or(gc/koni). I'm currently using H&R full coilover and I drop it to the last thread available.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I really dont want to spend the money on full coilovers. I guess I will get ground controls or Omnipower Sleeves.
Now with the coilovers, my front tires are tucked a good 1.5" and I have no rubbing or anything like that.
Slam that and I am sure you will be glad
go with omni or skunk2 full coilovers or(gc/koni). I'm currently using H&R full coilover and I drop it to the last thread available.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I really dont want to spend the money on full coilovers. I guess I will get ground controls or Omnipower Sleeves.
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Re: Coilover Question? (SiDriven)
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Are they easy to install? How do you make the threaded part stay to the strut? I have heard of people having problems with that.
Do the coilovers come with dircetions? I want to make sure I install them right. Some people say they have problems with Threaded body scraping against the strut and wearing it down. How would I prevent that from happening? How long does it take for the coilovers/struts to settle in? I heard you have to get an alignment done after they're settled in. Is that true?
This is from a review page: have these paired with Koni Sports, and after having had these on my car for about 2 weeks, I've come to realize that although the ride is good (slightly stiffer than stock), no one is ever going to want to buy a car that makes the noise these coil-overs are making on my car! It is completely unacceptable. Because the top of the Eibach spring rides on a bearing and the bottom is not physically affixed to the adjustable perch, the spring is free to rotate about the front strut assembly. As it does this, the lip of the spring catches and loads pressure into the spring until it breaks loose to spin causing an excessive and embarassing "plong" noise that is audible outside the car. Not only is there a noise, but also the pressure in the spring on one side or another will force the car to pull strongly to the opposite side, making cornerning a difficult, if not scary proposition. If the pressure is released in the middle of the corner with the "plong" sound, I'll find I'm overcorrecting so much that it can be very dangerous, and I'll have to correct evasively. Unless it's absolutely necessary to be able to adjust your ride height frequently,
Is he having that problem because he installed them wrong?
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</TD></TR></TABLE>Are they easy to install? How do you make the threaded part stay to the strut? I have heard of people having problems with that.
Do the coilovers come with dircetions? I want to make sure I install them right. Some people say they have problems with Threaded body scraping against the strut and wearing it down. How would I prevent that from happening? How long does it take for the coilovers/struts to settle in? I heard you have to get an alignment done after they're settled in. Is that true?
This is from a review page: have these paired with Koni Sports, and after having had these on my car for about 2 weeks, I've come to realize that although the ride is good (slightly stiffer than stock), no one is ever going to want to buy a car that makes the noise these coil-overs are making on my car! It is completely unacceptable. Because the top of the Eibach spring rides on a bearing and the bottom is not physically affixed to the adjustable perch, the spring is free to rotate about the front strut assembly. As it does this, the lip of the spring catches and loads pressure into the spring until it breaks loose to spin causing an excessive and embarassing "plong" noise that is audible outside the car. Not only is there a noise, but also the pressure in the spring on one side or another will force the car to pull strongly to the opposite side, making cornerning a difficult, if not scary proposition. If the pressure is released in the middle of the corner with the "plong" sound, I'll find I'm overcorrecting so much that it can be very dangerous, and I'll have to correct evasively. Unless it's absolutely necessary to be able to adjust your ride height frequently,
Is he having that problem because he installed them wrong?
Modified by dawrenn at 2:09 PM 1/23/2005
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