B16 Turbo'ing advice needed!

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Old May 3, 2004 | 01:54 AM
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Default B16 Turbo'ing advice needed!

Hi everyone,read through as many of the old posts as i could to try and save me asking stupid questions but you never know,still might happen!
I live in the uk and want to turbo vt civic (150bhp version).I already have a garrett t3 turbo,bailey dv24 & dv26 BOV,got a saab I.C. (was for last project,but went pear shaped!) and other then that dont have anything else. By checking the posts out Hondata seems to get ALOT of praise as a good system although i'm not sure if we have compatible ecu's over here?I'm really after a bit of info on what i actually need to do in order to turbo the car and what other bits i actually need,like if i need forged pistons etc,i want it as a daily driver and i would like to run 10-20psi boost if possible.If anyone could give me any advice of products to steer clear of and products that work well it'd be much appreciated.
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Old May 3, 2004 | 02:18 AM
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You need at lease a downpipe, wastegate(if it's not internal) and a manifold.

Hondata is good, Z-dyne for our cars is better.
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Old May 3, 2004 | 02:21 AM
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Z-dyne must say i've never heard of that before.What kinda money they go at?They the same kinda thing as hondata?

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Old May 3, 2004 | 04:25 AM
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Also what manifold you recomending and also wastegate since i think this t3 is external.Lots of people been sayin bout doin 3" pipe on exhaust.That about right?
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Old May 3, 2004 | 07:30 AM
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the setup wont be cheap. 10-20 lbs of boost...lets say 15 lbs...then internal modifications would be necessary...some rods and pistons would be great...then youll need the clutch to hold all that power...

you will need an assortment of parts including the manifold, turbo, 3" exhaust would be nice, wastegate, bov, plenty of gaskets (downpipe, blowoff, turbo to oxygen sensor housing, oil return line, ), t-fittings, some u bend steel, maybe a 90 degree aluminized bend, an oil return line, intercooler, guages, a welder, an
FMU, or hondata would be nice if you could afford it..pistons and rods will be the most expensive...get some nice ones...
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Old May 3, 2004 | 09:12 AM
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Things like clutches,gauges,lines and sensors wont be a problem (work in auto factors store!).But i will be paying alot for rods and pistons coz as far as i know apart from wiseco pistons all the other performance ones over here are either imported from US or Japan.Also will i need to uprate injectors?If i can get it running a safe 15-20psi i'm quite willing to spend the cash,got enough tied up in my other cars to build the engine just from that.Just need to know how and with what,thanks for the direction mate,will look into all the bits and pieces.

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Old May 3, 2004 | 02:23 PM
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BUMP
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Old May 3, 2004 | 02:56 PM
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Go to http://www.amazon.co.uk and do a search for a book called "MAXIMUM BOOST" by Corky Bell. If you are going to be putting together your own kit, it will help you out a lot if you buy the book and learn about all the turbo parts and the engine parts you will have to upgrade to support the turbo.

Unless you have a lot of automotive knowledge I wouldn't recommend doing this yourself. See if there are any tuner shops in the UK that can help you do the install. Or see if there is a fellow H-T member or other car clubs that you can meet up with to help you with your turbo project.

If you are looking to build a setup at about 15-20 PSI you should look at something bigger then a T3. IMO the T3 sized turbos are best used at about 7-14 PSI. What horsepower goals are you trying to achieve? also it would help if you had a budget too. A modest setup can be had for about $1500-$3000 US dollars (on stock engine internals). But if you want to make a lot of power you'll be spending closer to $4000-$6000.

EDIT: nm I saw your engine code in the topic title
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Old May 3, 2004 | 05:36 PM
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hey i have made several turbo kits for these single cams and it seems the best way to go is to ( if u have acess to a welder) get a t3 flange and cut up your old manifold to make a new turbo one, and cut the number one runner and weld on a wastegate flange for an external gate. as far as gates go anything with like a 4-6 lb spring would be appropriate with stock internals, i would reccomend not going above 6 psi though if the internals aren't upgraded. and as far as ignition and fuel you can use stock diamond star turbo injectors, and a zdyne ecu. along with an upgraded fuel pump ( can also be taken from a turbo DSM) along with some sort of ignition amplification the car should be running great. also when you to the piping for the saab IC try to keep it as short as possible for best throttle response. good luck
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Old May 3, 2004 | 10:56 PM
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Cool,I'm not sayin this to doubt you but havent there been lots of people complaining about tubro manifolds that are just on the exhaust of one cylinder...?To be honest i dont even quite undertand how it would be effective!
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P.S. Am not bitching just dont understand!
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Old May 4, 2004 | 03:27 PM
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bump. Please help me bump
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Old May 5, 2004 | 01:39 PM
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no no, the manifold is connected to all exhaust ports as it would be with any standard turbvo manifold, the waste gate is tapped into the number one runner of the manifold. i have had one running now for 4 years with no cracks or complaints about the product.
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Old May 5, 2004 | 02:58 PM
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Cool,Cool,Is there an equal length turbo manifold available cept for the $1200 beast i saw today,i really want to get this car shifting!
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Old May 10, 2004 | 12:20 PM
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not that i know of besides you could try south florida performance. good company with a great warranty.
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Old May 11, 2004 | 09:36 AM
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Cool,they will probably ship to the uk,will have to drop them a line and find out...Cheers

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Old May 11, 2004 | 09:56 AM
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http://www.homemadeturbo.com

8-10psi on stock internals with good fuel/ignition management is very possible.
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Old May 11, 2004 | 09:59 AM
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Cool thanks for the link will have a closer look!
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Old May 11, 2004 | 12:18 PM
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Default Re: B16 Turbo'ing advice needed! (autoengineer07)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by autoengineer07 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hey i have made several turbo kits for these single cams and it seems the best way to go is to ( if u have acess to a welder) get a t3 flange and cut up your old manifold to make a new turbo one, and cut the number one runner and weld on a wastegate flange for an external gate. as far as gates go anything with like a 4-6 lb spring would be appropriate with stock internals, i would reccomend not going above 6 psi though if the internals aren't upgraded. and as far as ignition and fuel you can use stock diamond star turbo injectors, and a zdyne ecu. along with an upgraded fuel pump ( can also be taken from a turbo DSM) along with some sort of ignition amplification the car should be running great. also when you to the piping for the saab IC try to keep it as short as possible for best throttle response. good luck</TD></TR></TABLE>

Single Overhead Cam motors are not the issue on this topic.

As everyone is saying:
Turbo
Manifold
Wastegate (if not internal)
BOV
IC
Piping
Injectors
Fuel Pump

With that little bit right there, and some good tuning, 8-10 lbs will be no problem, and you should see some good results. Good luck with the project
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Old May 11, 2004 | 03:55 PM
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Cheers for the simplification mate....
Better get my plans sorted on this!
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Old May 11, 2004 | 04:01 PM
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InlinePro Manifold (if your going with a T3) (PM Arturbo)
Tial 38mm Wastegate (choose the desired spring yourself)
T3 Turbo of your choice
Downpipe
Exhaust Tubing
Catalytic Convertor
Resonator
Muffler
BOV
Intercooler
Intercooler Tubing
Fast-Turbo.com Oil Feed/Return Fittings and Lines
Injectors dependant on HP wanted
Walbro 255lph Intank
SX/Aeromotive FPR
Wideband O2 Sensor + Gauge (AEM)
Greddy Mechanical Boost Gauge
HKS MBC (my preference)
DON"T SKIMP ON Fuel Management:
AEM, Autronic, or MOtec if you got cash
Hondata if your strapped on cash
FMU on stock injectors if your really poor + VAFC/SAFC
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