OK, I have heard that in most FF cars, when you pass the 250 hp mark, even if you have and LSD, it will be hardly any fun to drive because of torque steer. Thats why a lot of people don't like the new Acura CL as much as the previous one. Having 270 hp and good of torque, when you hammer it, the tires just stray off to the outside of your turn (understeer). So I'm asking for the 88-95 Civic hatch guys to say what they think the affordable power limit is before your car is better off as a drag car and no fun cornering. Thanks.

 

There are tons of guys on here pushing more than 250...torque steer is how you handle it. Hold onto the wheel tight enough and you can controll it. Also, with the small 4 cyl engines not many are doing 250+ N/A meaning all 250 to the wheels at one time...most are doing it with turbos and with a turbo you have lag so when boost hits your usually at a good speed where torque steer is reduced.

 

I see, Happyman. Then if I had say a good susp. setup w LSD and rubber, I'd just have to learn how to handle it without killing myself! I wan't to build a badass Turbo SOHC, guys like Bisimoto have passed 500 HP with 'em, and there cheap, LIGHT and everywhere. They just ain't get no respect because of brothers B, K, and F.

 

its really not an issue. if you know your car well enough you should be able to drive smoothly.

 

yeah just go with N/A on a 4 banger and stay away from forced induction, specialy superchargers!

 

With lsd you won't have any torque steer(or not much anyways).

If you have tires that can handle the power it's not an issue. Put civic sized tires on a mustang or corvette and it wouldn't be able to handle the power either.

Your biggest worry is destroying CV joints. I don't drag race and I'm careful in 1st gear but I still bust them.

 

I figure I'll stop at about 4 billion hp. Seems reasonable.

 

Thrty8Street, why ju no like FI'ed 4cyls? They make the most output/L this side of a rotary! The only downside is that to make v8 power reliably, you need to drop a decent bit of cash for parts and tuning. And I wish people treated their Hondas better, just because you didn't pay a lot of money to buy your car doesn't make it cheap!! It is hard to find an EF or even an EG hatch that is immaculate. People ride Civics hard 'till the wheels fall off!

 

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Well then I'm just going to have to stop at eleventy billion hp so I can beat you.

 

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Well then I'm just going to have to stop at eleventy billion hp so I can beat you.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Eleventy billion is alot of power. but we'r talkin for the street here. Try and keep it under 4 billion.

 

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Eleventy billion is alot of power. but we'r talkin for the street here. Try and keep it under 4 billion.</TD></TR></TABLE>

It's ok, I have m4d 3rd g34r \/73c 71r3s. I'll be fine.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Import Al &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thrty8Street, why ju no like FI'ed 4cyls? They make the most output/L this side of a rotary! The only downside is that to make v8 power reliably, you need to drop a decent bit of cash for parts and tuning. And I wish people treated their Hondas better, just because you didn't pay a lot of money to buy your car doesn't make it cheap!! It is hard to find an EF or even an EG hatch that is immaculate. People ride Civics hard 'till the wheels fall off! </TD></TR></TABLE>


i do like F/I but you dont like torque steer so what can ya do

 

ride a bicycle with a generator so my light will light up and slow down my torque steer

 

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You suck at making funny replies.

 

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Same here, I've shifted to 4th on the freeway at redline and busted CV joints on my hatch

Other than that 247whp is easy to control, sh*t, after 6 months of turbo my car feels slow again...

 

Too much power for the street is 1hp or tq beyond the bare minimum you need to accomplish a goal, i.e. an E.T. or trap speed. The more horsepower, the better the driver is going to have to be and the more aware he is going to have to remain in order to drive it carefully and safely. There are guys in the FI forum running 620whp B18C's (a mere 450 on "pump gas") and they say their street setting feels slow and weak =p.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Archidictus &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Too much power for the street is 1hp or tq beyond the bare minimum you need to accomplish a goal, i.e. an E.T. or trap speed. The more horsepower, the better the driver is going to have to be and the more aware he is going to have to remain in order to drive it carefully and safely. There are guys in the FI forum running 620whp B18C's (a mere 450 on "pump gas") and they say their street setting feels slow and weak =p.</TD></TR></TABLE> The facts are all in this post. It depends on the driver. My EG has 283whp NA and I can control it just fine. Yeah there is hella torque steer, unless I grip the wheel well. Most of this is cause the Mugen LSD hasen't gone in yet... I don't plan on stopping the mods until Desiree (my EG) puts 500+ to the ground. Keep in mind that this 283whp is put to the ground with "stock" tires... Just stay within your limits and you will be fine...

 

HondaFanatic708, wtf kinda engine you packing for 283whp na?? a K, Crvtec or spraying?

 

HAHAHA

You have that much power and no LSD. Dam I hope I'm never next to you when you floor it. End up knocking me off the road.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HondaFanatic708 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> The facts are all in this post. It depends on the driver. My EG has 283whp NA and I can control it just fine. Yeah there is hella torque steer, unless I grip the wheel well. Most of this is cause the Mugen LSD hasen't gone in yet... I don't plan on stopping the mods until Desiree (my EG) puts 500+ to the ground. Keep in mind that this 283whp is put to the ground with "stock" tires... Just stay within your limits and you will be fine...</TD></TR></TABLE>


i wana know what the **** your running to push 283whp NA to the wheels, im gona call BS like a mother ******

 

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i wana know what the **** your running to push 283whp NA to the wheels, im gona call BS like a mother ******</TD></TR></TABLE>

Didn't notice that. Yeah gonna have to say BS. I'm running 12lbs of boost and I don't have that much power.

 

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Didn't notice that. Yeah gonna have to say BS. I'm running 12lbs of boost and I don't have that much power.</TD></TR></TABLE>

ya bumb from the post i have seen from this guy he doesn't know **** and i wana see if he really has it. SOOO YOU GONA POST IT UP OR SHUT THE **** UP

 

im putting 30$ to the wheels.

 

300-350 for fwd car is more than enough on the streets

 

are you really that worried about it, though?