Ok, built d16, sleeves, rods, pistons etc.. done that... axles, clutch, flywheel, qualife lsd etc.. gt28rs disco potato turbo, 18-20 psi, goal is 300whp to maybe 325ish.. no more

since i'm only running 300iswhp, what managment is the cheapest but still the reliable factor is ok?

i saw AEM's EMS is like 1300 or so.. that's hell of a lot... but i see people here like either hondata and uberdata...

i'm in electrical/computer engineering so burning is part of my daily ****...

question is, do i REALLY need the ems or is uber/hondata good enough??? and regarding the uber and hondaata, is it worth it to get hondata or uber is same ****? of course wideband 02 is already in place...

Also, i'm in TORONTO, which means emission test on my 00 civic d16 comes every 2 years... that's why i'm wondering wtf will happen when they see my p28 ecu which is obd I..... how does emission deal with that?

thanks

 

Run hondata. I was in the same boat, switch my EL (d16Y8 OBDII) over to OBDI with a P28 and conversion harness and tuned from there. Had e-testing about a month ago, through on a carsound highflow cat and passed.

 

Your best choice would be a Hondata. It's plug and play, still uses the factory ECU shell, has all the functions you will ever need, and it's reliable. And since you've already spent some pretty dough on sleeves, rods, pistons, machining, etc...it wouldn't make sense to cheap out on the engine management system.

I don't know how the emissions tests are conducted in your area. Do they actually take the interior apart just to take a look at the ECU? If you worry about visual inspection, I would worry more about the turbo and intercooler sitting under the hood.

 

AEM also plugs in, but for the price you can have a pretty thourough S200...

 

Look into Uberdata, it's free, and if you don't like it, move on. No biggie

 

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since u mentioned that you are very affluent in engineering and electronics id recommend uberdata as well. It is considerably cheaper and there are many people on this board that can help you as well.

As far as emissions testing if they arent very thorough on testing you then you may pass with a good cat and tuning.

if not then swap everything back to stock. Takes me about a day to put it back to stock for smog here in CA then the next day put everything back on.

i think its a small price to pay every 2 years for a turbo car

 

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i agree with this- i downloaded uberdata and have been playing around making theoretical basemaps and getting to know the program- its pretty easy to use. i cant wait to get my car boosted so i can put it to actual use. and yea- its free, so if u dont like it you can move on.

ps. im sooo jealous of your discopotato . i wish i could have one

 

yup i think i will try the uber first and see how it goes... if it's good enough then that's it.. if not i can upgrade to the hondata....

i guess for hondata, i would need the s200 or s300?? i'm not familiar with this... i heard something like stage e or stage 4.. or something..

for uber, i'll i need to buy is the eproms right? and learn the proper coding etc... burners no prob of course... i got them at work also...

so people in ontario (toronto), you saying the stupuid e-test is only for tail pipe right? they don't go sticking some obd connector to check stuff?

yes discopotato is good.. nice spooling time.. powerful output... beats any t3/t4 for my hp.... and who needs more for daily driving... wheel spin happens at 260whp or so at 3rd gear.. lol

 

You'll need a socketed ECU for Uberdata... and a 29c256 eeprom is a good choice.

You shouldn't need to know any coding to use Uberdata

 

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Yep, just the sniffer in the tail pipe and a visual check for a cat. No looking for right pcm's etc. They could care less what you have, the numbers your e-test produces determines your pass/fail.

 

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in cali they do now....obd2 cars are plug into the diagnostic connector during smogs....

no good

 

socketed ecu? my p28 isn't good enough? do i have to mod my ecu to get it scoketeed?

 

socket your p28... as in solder in a socket to accept the ROM (just like with hondata). uberdata is just as easy to learn as hondata.

http://www.ecimulti.org/uberdata

download the latest version there, and there is a link to the forum.

 

Can you solder? Socketing and ECU is really cake if you can solder. If not, I'm sure someone at your work probably can. It's a matter of making about 6 connections, and the soldering in the 28pin socket.

 

pretty good functions for uber...

what functions does hondata get over uber?

 

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Yeah, good question. I'm not sure what's left... the list has been getting smaller and smaller for many months. Boost cut was added last week, and several forms of boost control are in the works.

Anyone know what's left? RTP?

 

you can never go overkill with engine management.. just make sure you use what ever the tuner knows how to use.

 

I agree. Get uberdata if you have access to a burner and aren't afraid to do some tuning yourself. This is what i'm eventually gonna do since I already have a socketed p28 in my car.

 

like my only reason for not using uber is that maybe hondata has some features that uber doesn't that i might want... just asking if you guys know the significant diff?

is it more troublesome to re-burn and edit the maps on uber oppose to hondata? i guess i can keep the burner and laptop in the car so i don't have to go inside the house to burn...

 

the process for burning chips and such is the same for hondata and anything else that tunes a chipped ecu

 

RTP and datalogging... Uberdata doesn't have those built-in yet. You can make datalogging work if you're smart but RTP isn't gonna be a go for quite a while methinks. Hondata has the ROMulator thingie, which I suppose would work for Uberdata too... I dunno. Those are the major differences IMO. Just download Uberdata and fiddle with it. If it's not custom enough for you the interface is scripted so you can add your own functionality.

 

what is RTP?? real-time ....??

hmm... what kind of datalogging... like a/f etc? does either uber or hondata have any functions that lets use you a wideband to operate in closed loop mode??

how about partial thorttle/partial boost situations?

 

real-time-programming.

uberdata does not have the ability to interperet a wb signal, nor does hondata.

 

My tuner was programming my Hondata in real time, and he was using the wb o2 sensor... it was a fairly new feature, but its much faster then having to turn the car off/on every time you make a change...