I have been trying to get my car started for a couple of days now and cannot seem to get the proper basemap. In doing so it is getting a **** load of fuel. I am just wondering if I am potentially damaging anything by doing this? Someone told me I could "wash" my cylinder walls. It hasn't even started yet but cranks over and gets fuel. I am going to get another map burned today so hopefully that will solve the start up issues. But if anyone has any insight as far as the "washing" goes I would really appreciate it.

-Ryan

 

Is this on a fresh rebuild?? If the rings are already seated I wouldnt worry about it. I have heard of people doing that to a fresh set of rings though.

 

Yes, there is a chance of you washing the walls.

 

are you starting a fresh motor on Hondata???? i would advise against this IMO.

Landon

 

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Landon</TD></TR></TABLE>


Nah, not if you have a good start up map.

 

yea but how do you know its a good start up map???? is it worth the risk, i would tend to think not.

Landon

 

Yes this is a fresh motor and yes I am trying start up on Hondata. It has been a real pain in the ***. If the basemap I have now doesn't work tomorrow I am going to try and find some smaller injectors and use the stock ecu. If it does start I should just stay away from idle right? What exactly haooens when the cylinders wash?

 

Well when you wash the walls that means you will need to take the pistons out and install new rings as well as rehone the block.

Before you do this however try this little trick after you install the stock injectors and stock ecu.

Take out the plugs and spray some brake cleaner down the walls and crank the car WITH THE ECU UNPLUGGED. This trick might save the rings if you indeed washed them.

 

I've had 2 non-honda engines where I washed the cylinder walls pretty good. Wouldn't start -&gt; flodded engine -&gt; gas washed the walls,a dn went past the rings.

Both were on off-road jeeps. On one, we were way back in an off-road park, and had no choice but to drive it out to the parking lot(once it finally started)..

I had about 1.5 quarts of gasoline that got past the rings(the entire exhaust was full of water from being 4 ft deep in a mudhole) and into the crankcase. We changed out the oil immediately, but the gasoline in the oil did its damage and ruined the 25 year old valve seals, and even after 3 oil changes, it never made good oil pressure any more, and smoked like crazy because of the valve seals.

my point? If you think its washing the walls, check your oil to make sure its not getting large amounts of gasoline in it.

The other jeep, we put a small amount of motor oil in each cylinder to get compression back, then it started and ran ok.

 

Yeha, I wouldnt spray brake clean thats just gonna wash them more. You need to pull and clean the psrk plugs because they're fouled and may also be giving you grief. And put some oil or at very least some pentrating lub. in each cylinder and crank it with out the ecu.

Also dont recommend breaking in a fresh motor with Hondata. You should use a stock computer for breakin if at all possible. Hondata chips tend to be rich since they're concentratin mainly on performance.

 

Thanks for the input guys. Got it started today on the Hondat. How do I tell if they are washed? I think it is still too early to do a compressuion check and get any real results.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kwuaymaikrup &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thanks for the input guys. Got it started today on the Hondat. How do I tell if they are washed? I think it is still too early to do a compressuion check and get any real results.</TD></TR></TABLE>

did the map work?

 

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did the map work?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Sure did Thanks alot!!!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by boostn420 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeha, I wouldnt spray brake clean thats just gonna wash them more. You need to pull and clean the psrk plugs because they're fouled and may also be giving you grief. And put some oil or at very least some pentrating lub. in each cylinder and crank it with out the ecu.

Also dont recommend breaking in a fresh motor with Hondata. You should use a stock computer for breakin if at all possible. Hondata chips tend to be rich since they're concentratin mainly on performance.
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wow your an idiot!!!!

congrats on the start!!! so it was a bad map???

Landon

 

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wow your an idiot!!!!

congrats on the start!!! so it was a bad map???

Landon</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well it is still fucked. I am having a HELL of a time. It pops once or twice and then nothing. I got in running once and now it won't do ****. I am soooo frustrated!!! I am just gonna take my tuner and have them do it all. I was gonna get it heatcycled and everything before taking it there but I am worried I am gonna **** it up. It is gonna cost me a shitload more to have them do it all but that is my only option now

 

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Well it is still fucked. I am having a HELL of a time. It pops once or twice and then nothing. I got in running once and now it won't do ****. I am soooo frustrated!!! I am just gonna take my tuner and have them do it all. I was gonna get it heatcycled and everything before taking it there but I am worried I am gonna **** it up. It is gonna cost me a shitload more to have them do it all but that is my only option now </TD></TR></TABLE>

dude i say **** it, install the stock injectors and ecu.

 

At this point in time, I would do what Mase is saying. Put stock injectors and stock ecu in and start her up.

Did you check your plugs to see if they were soaking wet with fuel? If so try new set of plugs.

When it started how did it sound? You let it die? Why didnt you keep it up and running for at least a few mins.

After install stock ecu and injectors make sure you set your fuel pressure back to stock also. Then confirm that you have fuel and spark. If so then the car should start right up.

GL

 

mine was the same way on the base map with large injectors. i was scared as hell, but we finally got it running to do some tuning on it. its a bitch when i first start it up still to keep it running , but once it gets warm its ok for the most part.

 

Ryan on my most recent built longblock I eliminate the FITV anbd it doesnt like to idle on its own in our extremely cold weather. I keep it sittin around a 1000 and when the temp rises a little it idles on its own...I agree with stock injectors/ecu, can help you eliminate some problems. If the car still does same thing, you know its not the injectors/map. good luck bro

 

FITV?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ekb18c &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">At this point in time, I would do what Mase is saying. Put stock injectors and stock ecu in and start her up.

Did you check your plugs to see if they were soaking wet with fuel? If so try new set of plugs.

When it started how did it sound? You let it die? Why didnt you keep it up and running for at least a few mins.

After install stock ecu and injectors make sure you set your fuel pressure back to stock also. Then confirm that you have fuel and spark. If so then the car should start right up.

GL</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well I am going to try the stock ecu tonight. As far as the plugs go, they were wet but I don't think that would foul em' out...would it? I didn't really LET it die I just shut it down since I have no idea what the timing was at and there was noone there to look it over and check for leaks and such. I thought it would start right back up but I guess I was wrong.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by itr206 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">mine was the same way on the base map with large injectors. i was scared as hell, but we finally got it running to do some tuning on it. its a bitch when i first start it up still to keep it running , but once it gets warm its ok for the most part. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah, I thought of your car when mine was doing that...lol. I had read all your posts and was hoping it wasn't going to happen to me. I might just take it to my tuner and have them start it up fo rme.

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word

 

yea your plugs can foul out quite quickly believe it or not, just put the stock **** back in till you get to your tuners like previoulsy stated.

Landon

 

i was gonna do that, but i didnt feel like chopping up my injector harness again , i finally got everything neat and putting the stock map sensor back in and shiz. too much of a PITA, but i guess you gotta do what you gota do . . BTW, my plugs were rocked big time from trying to fire it up , they are beyond fouled, lol

 

I don't know anything about Hondata
However, if you check your dip stick and the level is rising, you are washing the rings out and deluting your oil with raw fuel.
Change the oil and spray wd 40 down the plug holes. This will help seat the rings when you do get it started and your motor will like the non-deluted oil when it starts.
You might want to check your basics...plug wire sequence and rotation, cam timing, etc, etc...if this is off of a whole new build.

 

My plugs still look good but they are a little black. Nothing too bad. I put in a new plug and compared sparks and they look about the same. I haven't got a chance to try the stock ecu yet but the longer I wait the more nervous I get. I will check my oil when I get home. I just hope I dind't **** it up. Thanks for the input guys.

-Ryan