Cam gear question
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Cam gear question
Now first off this is a very noobish question, so please bear with me.
How hard is it to install a cam gear? could anyone explain or link to a site or tutorial or anything as to how it's done?
Also, when you tune them, do you just tune and try and it tweak it accordingly, or is there a certain way you should set them?
How hard is it to install a cam gear? could anyone explain or link to a site or tutorial or anything as to how it's done?
Also, when you tune them, do you just tune and try and it tweak it accordingly, or is there a certain way you should set them?
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Re: Cam gear question (n0strax)
i got a new one.....80 shipped, skunk2 cam gear, never installed.
hit me with a pm if u want it.
u should go on a dyno when tuning the cam gear. but usually on our sohc, u wanna retard for top end, maybe 3 degrees, or for bottom end u advance it forward.
hit me with a pm if u want it.
u should go on a dyno when tuning the cam gear. but usually on our sohc, u wanna retard for top end, maybe 3 degrees, or for bottom end u advance it forward.
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Re: Cam gear question (b_ron007)
^worthless on a SOHC motor. i had one on my old motor and i advanced it for bottom end like 2 degrees and it totally killed my top end. if you retard it for top end it'll kill your bottom end. it sucks unless you drag race and don't need the bottom end power.
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Re: Cam gear question (KGAccord)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KGAccord »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">^worthless on a SOHC motor. i had one on my old motor and i advanced it for bottom end like 2 degrees and it totally killed my top end. if you retard it for top end it'll kill your bottom end. it sucks unless you drag race and don't need the bottom end power.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I don't mean to follow you around and crap on your posts KG but you are only partly right and are showing a definate H22 bias there... i think if you wanted to truly show an example of how it didn't help you very much you should also include what other mods you had... I would guess straight bolt-ons and you adjusted it with ZERO dyno tuning...
It can be helpful on a bolt on SOHC if you dyno tune it to meet your goals...
but it doesn't become a really useful tuning tool until you start doing head/cam-work, and/or digging into the bottom end...
I don't mean to follow you around and crap on your posts KG but you are only partly right and are showing a definate H22 bias there... i think if you wanted to truly show an example of how it didn't help you very much you should also include what other mods you had... I would guess straight bolt-ons and you adjusted it with ZERO dyno tuning...
It can be helpful on a bolt on SOHC if you dyno tune it to meet your goals...
but it doesn't become a really useful tuning tool until you start doing head/cam-work, and/or digging into the bottom end...
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Re: Cam gear question (ZigenBallz)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ZigenBallz »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I don't mean to follow you around and crap on your posts KG but you are only partly right and are showing a definate H22 bias there... i think if you wanted to truly show an example of how it didn't help you very much you should also include what other mods you had... I would guess straight bolt-ons and you adjusted it with ZERO dyno tuning...
It can be helpful on a bolt on SOHC if you dyno tune it to meet your goals...
but it doesn't become a really useful tuning tool until you start doing head/cam-work, and/or digging into the bottom end... </TD></TR></TABLE>
well in this situtaion he says nothing about cams or headwork in which case a cam gear is not worth it. the amount of hp to be gained with a cam gear on stock cam and just bolt-on work is very little since your only shifting the power band around and not truely gaining hp. your losing hp somewhere to gain it somewhere else, which for a street driver this isn't generally what you want.
I don't mean to follow you around and crap on your posts KG but you are only partly right and are showing a definate H22 bias there... i think if you wanted to truly show an example of how it didn't help you very much you should also include what other mods you had... I would guess straight bolt-ons and you adjusted it with ZERO dyno tuning...
It can be helpful on a bolt on SOHC if you dyno tune it to meet your goals...
but it doesn't become a really useful tuning tool until you start doing head/cam-work, and/or digging into the bottom end... </TD></TR></TABLE>
well in this situtaion he says nothing about cams or headwork in which case a cam gear is not worth it. the amount of hp to be gained with a cam gear on stock cam and just bolt-on work is very little since your only shifting the power band around and not truely gaining hp. your losing hp somewhere to gain it somewhere else, which for a street driver this isn't generally what you want.
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Re: Cam gear question (KGAccord)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KGAccord »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">^worthless on a SOHC motor. i had one on my old motor and i advanced it for bottom end like 2 degrees and it totally killed my top end. if you retard it for top end it'll kill your bottom end. it sucks unless you drag race and don't need the bottom end power.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I wouldn't say worthless, I dyno tuned my camgear and ended up retarding it 3 degrees. With that setting I gain 10 HP and lost .1 torque.
I wouldn't say worthless, I dyno tuned my camgear and ended up retarding it 3 degrees. With that setting I gain 10 HP and lost .1 torque.
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Re: Cam gear question (zeta_msz_006)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by zeta_msz_006 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I wouldn't say worthless, I dyno tuned my camgear and ended up retarding it 3 degrees. With that setting I gain 10 HP and lost .1 torque.</TD></TR></TABLE>
at what rpm?
you may have gained 10hp at 5,800 rpm, but lost 10hp at 3,500...... the area under the curve is more important which for stock cams and boltons the factory setting for SOHC honda is about as good as it gets.
I wouldn't say worthless, I dyno tuned my camgear and ended up retarding it 3 degrees. With that setting I gain 10 HP and lost .1 torque.</TD></TR></TABLE>
at what rpm?
you may have gained 10hp at 5,800 rpm, but lost 10hp at 3,500...... the area under the curve is more important which for stock cams and boltons the factory setting for SOHC honda is about as good as it gets.
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Re: Cam gear question (KGAccord)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KGAccord »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
well in this situtaion he says nothing about cams or headwork in which case a cam gear is not worth it. the amount of hp to be gained with a cam gear on stock cam and just bolt-on work is very little since your only shifting the power band around and not truely gaining hp. your losing hp somewhere to gain it somewhere else, which for a street driver this isn't generally what you want.</TD></TR></TABLE>
There is some truth to what you say...BUT you made a blanket statement that they were just plain worthless on a SOHC... and I disagree...
well in this situtaion he says nothing about cams or headwork in which case a cam gear is not worth it. the amount of hp to be gained with a cam gear on stock cam and just bolt-on work is very little since your only shifting the power band around and not truely gaining hp. your losing hp somewhere to gain it somewhere else, which for a street driver this isn't generally what you want.</TD></TR></TABLE>
There is some truth to what you say...BUT you made a blanket statement that they were just plain worthless on a SOHC... and I disagree...
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Re: Cam gear question (KGAccord)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by KGAccord »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
at what rpm?
you may have gained 10hp at 5,800 rpm, but lost 10hp at 3,500...... the area under the curve is more important which for stock cams and boltons the factory setting for SOHC honda is about as good as it gets.
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Everything more or less stayed the same (might have lost 1-2 HP max at the lower RMP) till around 4300 RPM, then the curve jumps up and stays up all the way to cutoff.
at what rpm?
you may have gained 10hp at 5,800 rpm, but lost 10hp at 3,500...... the area under the curve is more important which for stock cams and boltons the factory setting for SOHC honda is about as good as it gets.
</TD></TR></TABLE>
Everything more or less stayed the same (might have lost 1-2 HP max at the lower RMP) till around 4300 RPM, then the curve jumps up and stays up all the way to cutoff.
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