f22a tranny with h22a turbo
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Re: f22a tranny with h22a turbo (Chubs)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chubs »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Does anyone know how much power or max rpm the f22a tranny will handle with my fully built h22a running 14psi?
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contrary to popular belief, the f22 trans is NOT weaker than the h22 trans. max RPM, HP/Torque levels, etc., are going to be quite similar. as a matter of fact, if you have enough power, an excellent combo is the F22 trans w/ H series final drive. or, if you have big slicks(26"+) the h series or f series trans with the prodrive 4.7 FD is a nice setup.
to help settle your stomach a bit, we have a local Prelude w/ fully built h22 w/ roughly 600whp using a bone stock F22 trans and has yet to break it.
good luck!
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contrary to popular belief, the f22 trans is NOT weaker than the h22 trans. max RPM, HP/Torque levels, etc., are going to be quite similar. as a matter of fact, if you have enough power, an excellent combo is the F22 trans w/ H series final drive. or, if you have big slicks(26"+) the h series or f series trans with the prodrive 4.7 FD is a nice setup.
to help settle your stomach a bit, we have a local Prelude w/ fully built h22 w/ roughly 600whp using a bone stock F22 trans and has yet to break it.
good luck!
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by f22a »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it's not that the transmission is weaker, because it's not. it's the synchros not being able to take the high rpms that the h22a likes to dwell in.</TD></TR></TABLE>
exactly
if the f22 tranny was going to be temporary id say sure keep it, but otherwise dont waste your time, turbo or na with an f tranny on an h22
exactly
if the f22 tranny was going to be temporary id say sure keep it, but otherwise dont waste your time, turbo or na with an f tranny on an h22
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have either one of you pulled apart an H series trans and/or an F series trans? or are you just basing your replies on info gathered on this or other car sites?
i already know the answer so please give me yours.
i already know the answer so please give me yours.
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i am replying based on what i have seen with my friend's h22a/f22a transmission setup that he was running.
temporarily it was fine, but slowly by slowly the synchros began to give out until it became unusable.
temporarily it was fine, but slowly by slowly the synchros began to give out until it became unusable.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by f22a »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i am replying based on what i have seen with my friend's h22a/f22a transmission setup that he was running.
temporarily it was fine, but slowly by slowly the synchros began to give out until it became unusable.</TD></TR></TABLE>
do you know how common that is with any high revving honda? let me tell ya, its very common.
let me also clue you guys in on something. the h series and f series use the same syncros!
temporarily it was fine, but slowly by slowly the synchros began to give out until it became unusable.</TD></TR></TABLE>
do you know how common that is with any high revving honda? let me tell ya, its very common.
let me also clue you guys in on something. the h series and f series use the same syncros!
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Re: (Nick M)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nick M »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if the f22 tranny was going to be temporary id say sure keep it, but otherwise dont waste your time, turbo or na with an f tranny on an h22</TD></TR></TABLE>
it's funny you say that Nick because i remember when you were planning on going boosted with your h22 and you were saying how much better the f tranny was...anyways, the f22 seems superior in my opinion because of the longer gears...unfortunately though, it lacks an lsd stock, which would be an option when considering the h22 tranny, but i suppose there's always quaife...
it's funny you say that Nick because i remember when you were planning on going boosted with your h22 and you were saying how much better the f tranny was...anyways, the f22 seems superior in my opinion because of the longer gears...unfortunately though, it lacks an lsd stock, which would be an option when considering the h22 tranny, but i suppose there's always quaife...
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nick H »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">anyways, the f22 seems superior in my opinion because of the longer gears...unfortunately though, it lacks an lsd stock, which would be an option when considering the h22 tranny, but i suppose there's always quaife...</TD></TR></TABLE>
only in a JDM unit none of the USDM h series trannies come with an LSD.
only in a JDM unit none of the USDM h series trannies come with an LSD.
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kentucky i am not doubting your knowledge because i have never compared the internals of the two transmissions.
but if the synchros are the same why does the f22a transmission seem to give out so much more? i am not only reciting what i read, i have seen it more than once locally when people used the f22 transmission with the h22a.
but if the synchros are the same why does the f22a transmission seem to give out so much more? i am not only reciting what i read, i have seen it more than once locally when people used the f22 transmission with the h22a.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by f22a »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">kentucky i am not doubting your knowledge because i have never compared the internals of the two transmissions.
but if the synchros are the same why does the f22a transmission seem to give out so much more? i am not only reciting what i read, i have seen it more than once locally when people used the f22 transmission with the h22a.</TD></TR></TABLE>
my best guess is that people that drive accords arent as performance oriented and therefor dont maintain their vehicles as well. for example, if your the 2nd or 3rd owner of a 4th gen accord, it could have 150k+ on it and only had the trans fulid changed once or never for that matter. but, generally speaking, Si and VTEC preludes are driven by young to middle aged men who (still generally speaking) take better care of things.
bottom line, if you take an F series trans and an H series trans from day one and treat them the exact same, the same problems will occur in both, usually.
another possibility is the difference in gear ratios between the two. although its a stretch, shorter gear ratios may be easier on the syncs when banging gears.
but if the synchros are the same why does the f22a transmission seem to give out so much more? i am not only reciting what i read, i have seen it more than once locally when people used the f22 transmission with the h22a.</TD></TR></TABLE>
my best guess is that people that drive accords arent as performance oriented and therefor dont maintain their vehicles as well. for example, if your the 2nd or 3rd owner of a 4th gen accord, it could have 150k+ on it and only had the trans fulid changed once or never for that matter. but, generally speaking, Si and VTEC preludes are driven by young to middle aged men who (still generally speaking) take better care of things.
bottom line, if you take an F series trans and an H series trans from day one and treat them the exact same, the same problems will occur in both, usually.
another possibility is the difference in gear ratios between the two. although its a stretch, shorter gear ratios may be easier on the syncs when banging gears.
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this is interesting, according to hondaautomotiveparts, the f22a transmission and h22a transmission have different part numbers for the syncs. are you sure that the two are interchangeable?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nick H »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
it's.anyways, the f22 seems superior in my opinion because of the longer gears......</TD></TR></TABLE>
longer gears are not the best for boost. (another internet myth)
while you are winding out 3rd with a long geared tranny, im passing the finish line at the top of third..
unless the car doesnt ever plan to be at the track/do alot of racing, i would use the tranny with shorter gears.
it's.anyways, the f22 seems superior in my opinion because of the longer gears......</TD></TR></TABLE>
longer gears are not the best for boost. (another internet myth)
while you are winding out 3rd with a long geared tranny, im passing the finish line at the top of third..
unless the car doesnt ever plan to be at the track/do alot of racing, i would use the tranny with shorter gears.
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btw, there is a guy in the Drag Racing section that runs a turbo H22 with F22 trans. he said he is launching @ around 9k with slicks. only driveline modification are the stage 3 axles.
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The F series tranny nets you longer geears fro my of a pull effect and gas milage, plus its good to about 160mph. The H series is give you that sick insane type of gearing for complete tire roasting fun, but it tops out at about 125, and gas mileage is a little on the lower side.
It all depends on its type of driving conditions and use.
Im still contimplating using the H23 on my F22B2 turbo with streetlight flywheel.
It all depends on its type of driving conditions and use.
Im still contimplating using the H23 on my F22B2 turbo with streetlight flywheel.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nick H »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
it's funny you say that Nick because i remember when you were planning on going boosted with your h22 and you were saying how much better the f tranny was...anyways, the f22 seems superior in my opinion because of the longer gears...unfortunately though, it lacks an lsd stock, which would be an option when considering the h22 tranny, but i suppose there's always quaife...</TD></TR></TABLE>
you live, you learn, in a street car yeah, it would probably be more ideal, but its not the best for acceleration
it's funny you say that Nick because i remember when you were planning on going boosted with your h22 and you were saying how much better the f tranny was...anyways, the f22 seems superior in my opinion because of the longer gears...unfortunately though, it lacks an lsd stock, which would be an option when considering the h22 tranny, but i suppose there's always quaife...</TD></TR></TABLE>
you live, you learn, in a street car yeah, it would probably be more ideal, but its not the best for acceleration
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kentucky accord »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
do you know how common that is with any high revving honda? let me tell ya, its very common.
let me also clue you guys in on something. the h series and f series use the same syncros!</TD></TR></TABLE>
never heard that one before
bseries have no issues shifting as high as 11k, you take an h tranny to 8.5k+ and it will bitch and complain about shifting
so then enlighten us as to why they feel totally different? ive driven a 92 accord with an h22a with an f23 tranny that had 3500 miles on it and it shifted like every other accord trannied h motor ive ever heard about, notchy and not smooth, stock preludes at the factory redline are much smoother
im not trying to be a dick, im just looking for an explanation as why its been documented a thousand times over by internet hybrid accord owners that switching to an h22a tranny from an f22 tranny yields a much smoother operating transmission
do you know how common that is with any high revving honda? let me tell ya, its very common.
let me also clue you guys in on something. the h series and f series use the same syncros!</TD></TR></TABLE>
never heard that one before
bseries have no issues shifting as high as 11k, you take an h tranny to 8.5k+ and it will bitch and complain about shifting
so then enlighten us as to why they feel totally different? ive driven a 92 accord with an h22a with an f23 tranny that had 3500 miles on it and it shifted like every other accord trannied h motor ive ever heard about, notchy and not smooth, stock preludes at the factory redline are much smoother
im not trying to be a dick, im just looking for an explanation as why its been documented a thousand times over by internet hybrid accord owners that switching to an h22a tranny from an f22 tranny yields a much smoother operating transmission
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that notchy feel you get from an accord trans could be several things. the bottom line though, its not the syncros.
the H/F vs. B series type trans isnt really a good debate because their are so many differences just in shift linkage alone.
FWIW, i know of more B series grinds and broken shift forks than that of F or H.
im sure the tighter gearing of the H over the F makes it less likely to grind on each high rpm upshift. if the gear ratios arent as spaced out, the RPMs drop that much less and make it easier to get into gear.
i noticed absolutely zero difference in shifting quality when going from a F to H series trans. of course, my maximum revolution is only 6800 and im sure thats a factor.
when speaking of H series trans in a prelude vs. them in an accord, well, thats where even more variables come into play. the preludes have different shifter plates and could possibly allow smoother feeling shifts although thats purely at the "shifter" level and not the actual trans. another possiblity is that the shifter cables are more direct in a prelude than that of an accord. ive never actually checked but the cables could have bends and curves more severe in an accord. thus making shifting more difficult.
there are all types of theories i suppose but the bottom line is the H series doesnt have special syncros and you can use F series syncros in the H.
the H/F vs. B series type trans isnt really a good debate because their are so many differences just in shift linkage alone.
FWIW, i know of more B series grinds and broken shift forks than that of F or H.
im sure the tighter gearing of the H over the F makes it less likely to grind on each high rpm upshift. if the gear ratios arent as spaced out, the RPMs drop that much less and make it easier to get into gear.
i noticed absolutely zero difference in shifting quality when going from a F to H series trans. of course, my maximum revolution is only 6800 and im sure thats a factor.
when speaking of H series trans in a prelude vs. them in an accord, well, thats where even more variables come into play. the preludes have different shifter plates and could possibly allow smoother feeling shifts although thats purely at the "shifter" level and not the actual trans. another possiblity is that the shifter cables are more direct in a prelude than that of an accord. ive never actually checked but the cables could have bends and curves more severe in an accord. thus making shifting more difficult.
there are all types of theories i suppose but the bottom line is the H series doesnt have special syncros and you can use F series syncros in the H.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ZigenBallz »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Damn Kentucky...
When did you get so scientifical?
Good points though... and more rational explanations than the usual debate on this subject...
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lol, well i guess it just depends on the subject really. i do come off as a smartass with some of my meaningless and almost insulting posts sometimes although, i think i have a few good facts packed away in this brain somewhere.....
btw, when are we going 14:1/90mm in your daily driver? HAHAHHAAHH.............
When did you get so scientifical?
Good points though... and more rational explanations than the usual debate on this subject...
</TD></TR></TABLE>lol, well i guess it just depends on the subject really. i do come off as a smartass with some of my meaningless and almost insulting posts sometimes although, i think i have a few good facts packed away in this brain somewhere.....
btw, when are we going 14:1/90mm in your daily driver? HAHAHHAAHH.............
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