which would you choose for a F23 and why? ... Pros and cons... experiences... etc.... post away boys!

 

I know the drag kit fits very well. I've seen them and asked about them before I made my decision. I went with a custom setup. I would recommend that over fmax or drag. I also have a F23 running great.

 

I know the DRAG kit has less parts than the F-MAX.

It lacks additional injectors, and an MF2.

With the F-MAX kit, you get extra injectors, and MF2, then add the MSD 6-AL, or an upgraded head gasket to lower the compression.

 

the MSD box will not work to retard timing on our 98+ accords...

 

http://www.turboneticsinc.com/new_product.html

F-MAX just teamed up with Turbonetics. Id wait awhile and see if they upgrade parts on the kit.

 

hey stinker504 what parts did u buy to make your custom turbo...

notoriousB: Thanks for that info, that helped alot... i guess i dont need to think about that anymore...

these are some good comments guys!!! Keep it coming....

 

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the MSD box will not work to retard timing on our 98+ accords...</TD></TR></TABLE>

The ignition timing is controlled electronically on 6th Gen Accords. I know that for a fact. When I was looking at TWGs dyno plots a while back, he stated that the only way to retard the timing on our cars was the MSD Digital 6+, or the A'PEXi SITC, which is discontinued.

 

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The ignition timing is controlled electronically on 6th Gen Accords. I know that for a fact. When I was looking at TWGs dyno plots a while back, he stated that the only way to retard the timing on our cars was the MSD Digital 6+, or the A'PEXi SITC, which is discontinued.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes it's electronically controlled. The timing on OBD2 cars is controlled by the ECU, meaning that the MSD BTM can not retard timing, as the ECU will just add it back. The BTM is what is included with the F-Max kit. Search this board, you will find lots more data on this subject.

 

so whats the point of Fmax adding the MSD BTM for the 6th gen????

i just emailed Fmax... they wont swap the MSD


Modified by Saloon-Cruiser at 12:53 AM 11/8/2003

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Crono139 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I know the DRAG kit has less parts than the F-MAX.

It lacks additional injectors, and an MF2.

With the F-MAX kit, you get extra injectors, and MF2, then add the MSD 6-AL, or an upgraded head gasket to lower the compression.</TD></TR></TABLE>

F-MAX and DRAG basically have their own fuel management setup. DRAG comes with a Vortech FMU and Airtex inline fuel pump. F-MAX comes with Lucas injectors and ERL MF2 (Additional Injector Controller). i'm sure there's been a lot of setups that have used the Vortech FMU and worked just fine. but from what i've heard, people who get the F-MAX kit ditch the ERL MF2 and the extra injectors. does anyone even know anybody who knows how to tune the ERL MF2? just because F-MAX has more parts, it doesn't mean that they are necessarily better. did anyone notice that the F-MAX kits are a lot more expensive than the DRAG kits? i know i have a DRAG kit on my own car but i'm glad i went with them instead of F-MAX. you don't have to use the Vortech FMU-you can go with your own fuel management setup.

 

accordexchange... what about the manifold thing breaking what are your opinions on that????

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Saloon-Cruiser &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">accordexchange... what about the manifold thing breaking what are your opinions on that????</TD></TR></TABLE>

i've heard bad things about the drag gen 2 manifold i think. then they came out with the gen 3 and now there's the gen 4, which i now have. accordfreak has the same kit on his accord. i've been boosting as of early jan of this year and everything appears to be in good condition so far.

 

accordexchange hmmm thanks for your reply... with the fuel management aside... why else did you choose DRAG kit vs the Fmax?

 

Go custom, they both have inefficient short 4-1 cast iron manifolds.

 

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Yeah man custom!!!!

 

You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure out how to tune the MF-2 ..its very simple: turn the dials clockwise for more fuel, counterclockwise for less fuel. .. and tune it on a dyno by yourself... its not that hard... dials are set up for each 1000 rpms so you can add fuel as you go into each diff rpm band

 

QUOTE=aznxphreak]Go custom, they both have inefficient short 4-1 cast iron manifolds.[/QUOTE]

what is an efficient cast iron manifolds then? brand or whatever...

better yet why dont you guys list the parts i need to build me a custom turbo kit...

 

injectors
fuel management unit
fuel pump
intercooler
pipe
bov
wastegate
turbo
exhaust manifold
downpipe
o2 sensor bung
MAP sensor bypass
oil sending line
oil return line
vaccum hoses
colder spark plug

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by iam7head &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">injectors
fuel management unit
fuel pump
intercooler
pipe
bov
wastegate
turbo
exhaust manifold
downpipe
o2 sensor bung
MAP sensor bypass
oil sending line
oil return line
vaccum hoses
colder spark plug
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Thanks iam7head... can someone confirm this?

 

i have the 4th generation drag kit for my 99 sedan, i ditched the inline and just went with a Walbro intank pump, works great. for the money, drag is a good buy. i personally think the drag kit puts out more then the F-max, i think, duno, gotta get it dynoed, but i'm slightly pulling on V8 mustangs with bolt ons, and only running 7 psi, and its a external wastegate dumping into the atmosphere. but i think, cause of the FMU, off of boost, the engine isn't as responsive as it was stock, but its ok, boost makes up for it big time. strecthing every gear, the boost feels good, i see what they mean by saying, keep the F23 tranny instead of any other, the gearing is a great compliment for the boost.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b_ron007 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have the 4th generation drag kit for my 99 sedan, i ditched the inline and just went with a Walbro intank pump, works great. for the money, drag is a good buy. i personally think the drag kit puts out more then the F-max, i think, duno, gotta get it dynoed, but i'm slightly pulling on V8 mustangs with bolt ons, and only running 7 psi, and its a external wastegate dumping into the atmosphere. but i think, cause of the FMU, off of boost, the engine isn't as responsive as it was stock, but its ok, boost makes up for it big time. strecthing every gear, the boost feels good, i see what they mean by saying, keep the F23 tranny instead of any other, the gearing is a great compliment for the boost.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Thanks for the info... where did u get your kit? cuz i havent seen a site that says DRAG Gen4 for the 6th gen accord.... although i got a quote on DRAG gen4 written in my notepad from like 2 years ago... wierd