Ok, this is so stupid. How does one petition for a new forum? Maybed called driving techniques for "other" motorsports like drifting and rallying.

in the post "Proper Way to use E-Brake"

A guy ask how to use e brakes properly, and look at all the guys that jump in with useless 1 liners. Now was the thread locked... is it because of the useless followups, or because of the subject?

 

Because of the Subject, in this forum, the e brake is only used for parking and maybe in the start of a pro solo, but he was not asking about that he was asking about using it for e brake slides...

 

So while the question was about a legtimate driving technique, it is not with in the scoop of this forum?

I know some people use handbrake to help with rotation on some very tight autox courses. It certainly works if done right.

 

Your view of ligtement driving compared to just about every one elses in this forum are differnt, as has been stated in mass, and know we are just wasting bandwith talking about it, if you have an issue IM a MOD, STOP starting more useless threads to discuss other useless threads.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GhettoRacer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I know some people use handbrake to help with rotation on some very tight autox courses. It certainly works if done right.
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Having done it alot as a teen on the gravel road to my house and on wet pavement at low speeds, I'd certainly think it would work on slow tight turns like an auto-x, especially in the wet. Now if its the fastest, I certainly wouldn't have the touch for that but I'm slow in the parking lots anyway. Why not try it, worst case scenario, you knock out some cones. Can't imagine its good for the p. brake though.

 

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I know some people use handbrake to help with rotation on some very tight autox courses. It certainly works if done right.
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And my point, which evidently I didn't expand on enough, is that if using the parking brake for autox is faster than not, your car's not loose enough.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">locally there are some dirt roads that people like going on.... It's kinda fun. I didnt see a rally or dirt road racing thing, so I posted here......</TD></TR></TABLE>

this is the RR/AX COMPETITION forum. not a "lets help a jacknob try to kill himself" forum. 99% of the racing talked about in this forum consists of driving on paved surfaces of some type, thus our mindset isn't really geared towards rally. if he was really interested in learning this technique for rally-cross or ice racing he should have stated that from the start. again, the only two idiots involved are the original poster for not presenting an intelligent question, and you for bitching us out and starting another useless thread about the original useless thread.

nate

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by maxQ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

And my point, which evidently I didn't expand on enough, is that if using the parking brake for autox is faster than not, your car's not loose enough.

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definitely. no e-brake here. most of the time i'm counter steering, unless i'm on brushed concrete.

the original question had no mention of using this for autocross though, so why should we assume that was what he meant? why do we have to pry the information out of the person? can't they give us everything that is pertinent to begin with? WHY SHOULD WE HOLD EVERYONE'S HAND!??!?!?

nate

 

It has been proven time and again that the ebrake technique is not helpful and is not faster. There was even a test done a few years back where segment times were taken using the ebrake and not using the ebrake. The ebrake was slower 100% of the time. This was an old test I saw on videotape. I think the early edition of Grassroots sponsored it.

But whatever.
I'm tempted to go back and see how many idiot threads have been created or contaminated by ghettoDEer (I could start with this one), but its not worth my time.

 

We don't need to hold their hands, but we don't need to make them feel stupid and un welcomed. My point is under certain situation, ebrake use is a valid way to introduce some oversteer. Isn't that a legimitate driving technique to be discussed?

At one point or another, we were all newbies and wondered the same. If the question wasn't clear enough, don't answer and it will scroll off by itself.

If one races Japanese style autox gymkaha where you are required to do a 360 around a cone, e brake use is required....

 

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I'll cast my vote as a resounding YES to creating another forum where stupid jackassery like drifting, canyon carving, street racing, and all such moron contests can be argues over with lots of "yo yo's," "shizzles," and "phizzats" thrown in. I for one would like to see it gone from the ROAD RACE / AUTOCROSS forum.

Some guy wants to know what the best technique is for sliding his streetcar around on unpaved public roads and you get bent when people flame him? Get real.

 

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Well, maybe I have missed something here but in reality, couldn't the general population here avoid looking for smackdowns on new-to-here folks. If I pose my above post, couldn't collectively people say "in an auto-x (or replace with whatever you want), it might *seem* to be effective but in reality, it points to a defecit in car setup. What you really want to do it try affecting change (name some part of car). Blah blah blah." Or allow for those that might see where it does apply even if it goes against the general trend of Honda-Tech's way to do it.

Direct people where you want them to focus (off the street) and you might be suprised to the level that they respond. I KNOW I have seen a myriad threads here where someone starts off asking about how to make this or that happen in their street car on the street to find out that they mean a setup for street/auto-x or street/track OR they come away asking where's the next event so they can check this stuff out. I do not think that whacking a newbie over the head with what an idiot they are does anythign for them or for the value of this board. We of-course all, at some point, didn't konw squat.

I also think this board needs to warm up to responses that are not the HT "way to do it" norm. If drifting and rally are not this board's specialties, well, maybe its time to welcome those that do know it, it seems to me to have alot more in common with RR/AX than it doesn't.

And please do remember Richard, there are more shizzles and phizzats that eminate from the members of this board than come from outside. JMO of-course.

Peace, Love, Grateful Dead!

 

there has been one instance where i was able to use my ebrake in an autox to help my time, it was on a slippery wet surface at beaverun's skidpad area. i almost couldn't believe it worked, but it did....aside from that, parking brake is good for parking and for fun in the snow

 

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I think there is a real need for another forum. I'll even volunteer to baby sit it if no one else wants the duty though i prefer not to. Some of the racers here dont' care for the DE Q's and non w2w stuff. But since h-t is so public with lot of users, we ought to have an alternate place.

original poster:

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what gave u the idea it was on public roads?

 

And in the case of this particular thread, people were pretty reserved with the newb smackin' until he clarified the reasons behind the question. My problem isn't with the original poster of the question, it's with the person Giles affectionately refers to as "GhettoDEer" and the whole drifting/canyon carving/street racing culture that is constantly creeping into some people's opinions of what constitutes legitimate motorsports competition. Bet hey, that's just my smelly opinion.

I agree, maybe it would be better if folks here were a little more patient with newbs before automatically fliping down the blast shield and spraying napalm. You're right, a lot of set-up questions get misconstrued as being for the purpose of reckless street activity when they are posted by folks who autox or race their daily driver, and that doesn't help with our (the rr/ax community) image in the eyes of these newbies. But on the flip side, I'll bet there aren't many people who actively particiapate in sanctioned competition who don't have to deal with the negative impressions people havewhen you tell them you "road race," connotations that have come about due to the massive population explosion of ricers, street racers, drifter wanna-be's, etc. The whole F&F (aka 2 gay 2 curious) crowd. I despise them and the whole ricer culture, call me a "hater." I reserve the right to be intolerant.

I'll add to my earlier post that I wouldn't object to Rally being added to this forum. As for drifting, where do we stop? <U>RR/AutoX/Rally/Drifting/Burnouts/Neon/Hydraulic car jumping/Bass/ProSPL </U> forum?

Rally is timed, just like autoX. Drifting is judged. Maybe it does require some skill, but there's no finish line, no race, no real competition. I don't care, I still say it doesn't deserve the same level of recognition, at least not in this forum. IMHO, of corse.

I always thought of it as one of the ways that members of this forum mocked the stunnah community. I sure hope you won't hear "this be some dope phizzat shizzle lasagna you be cooked up, Phatty biznatch" at your house....


Truly, a strage trip it has been indeed.

 

i just reread that thread again, and other then everyone saying it's pointless (and in reality, for what most of us do, it _is_ pointless) there was no bashing of the n00b. my earlier comment that the thread was pointless was wrong, my comment about how pointless this thread is was not.

however, if the original poster wanted a more specific question aswered, he should have asked a more specific question. how are we supposed to _know_ what his intended use was? and why is it _our_ responsibility to discover his intended use or what he's _really_ asking? yeah, we may have all been n00b's at one point in time, but we got hammered for asking stupid questions too. for the most part we caught on, learned to adapt and moved on with life. others keep doing stupid chit so that they'll be the center of attention and receive their quota of flames.

nate-who can remember scott setting him straight a couple times. both scott's...

 

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This response to Crackmonkey when asked where he planned on using this technique:

"locally there are some dirt roads that people like going on.... It's kinda fun. I didnt see a rally or dirt road racing thing, so I posted here......"

Dirt road racing. OMFG. Street racing (already irresponsible) with even less traction and the same set of no skills.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GhettoRacer &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ok, this is so stupid</TD></TR></TABLE>

And so is this thread.

Now, the thread you're talking about is here - https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=602861

Yes he was jumped on. Yes the responses could have been more receptive. But as a group, you guys have been very good lately at accepting people who just may not know the right way to ask a question and are sincerely trying to help out. for that.

However if you have an issue (any of you guys) my PM's are not blocked and my email address is listed in my profile. Its always been that way. Hell i'll even give you my phone number if you really feel that strongly at discussing something. Not sure why you'd want to, but doesnt matter to me.

Frank, you also posted this - https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=599593 - less than one week ago. You always seem to start things off with "who locked this" or "it was locked". Generally, the only people that are locking threads are Me, Morgan and Chris. There's not some angry guy behind a keyboard in a dark room locking things at random for chuckles (or evil laughter?).

But anyways... continue to keep helping out, i'll keep trying to do the same and move the threads to their appropriate forums instead of locking/deleting them.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by George Knighton &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Include drifting: I dunno. I have mixed feelings about that. I guess it's a legitimate sport or art, but I'm not sure it would belong in this forum. It seems to be a different art from the other sports included here.</TD></TR></TABLE>

As long as the events are sanctioned and insured just like the autocross and HPDE events we do, then i have no problem at all with it. However, if people get the wrong idea that its ok to 'practice' on public streets at night as seen in the japanese videos, well then thats not going to work here.