im just finishing my b18c1 setup and although whp is ok im going to want more power and i know turbo will give me the power i want ,but honda engines are not meant to be turboed.my turbo car that i biuld up will come from the factory.i just want to know the best engine to use ITB im thinking gsr or type r.i should run 13 plus in comp.what cams would be best?

should i go with TODA ITB,springs and retainers,valves,cams?if anyone has the numbers for what kind of power ITB give please tell me. would k20 motor be good for this?are ITB even made for k20?

 

help yourself buddy
https://honda-tech.com/zerosearch

 

search came back no results buddy!

 

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=561626
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=548974
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=556918
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=554462
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https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=539022
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https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=453276
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=464154
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by na4doorgsr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">but honda engines are not meant to be turboed.</TD></TR></TABLE>

AHAHAHAHAHA talk about that in the FI forum.

idiot newB.

and BTW OWNED on the search results.

 

you dont need to be even condisering ITBs if you dont know anything about our motors.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hybridvteceg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you dont need to be even condisering ITBs if you dont know anything about our motors.</TD></TR></TABLE>

hahaha

But, I do agree.... ITB shouldnt even be considered if you don't already have crazy mods..... and know at least something about "OUR" motors.

 

i didn't say honda motors can't be turboed anything can be done with money most hondas are high comp. and that does not work good with turbos.i know of many blown up turbo honda motors and what i meant is that when i personally get a turbo car that ill start with a turbo factory car cuz that motor was made for turbo.i love hondas and i just like mine to be allmotor for reliablity factors and to make a turbo honda motor work yoy need to spend 5k-8k, i guess you could spend that much for an all motor setup.calm down dude. you need laid or something.

 

thats right OUR...cause everyone's is basically the same, lol...this guy needs to learn alittle bit more about the function side of the dynamical aspect of motors before throwing his piggybank money into this expensive endeavor

 

please explain to me what i need to know, since you do. im attending wyotech right know for high performance motors(turbo,supercharged,nos)and chasis fab.so in about 9 mon.ill know what i need to know about OUR motor.

 

heres the best article ive found on this site about itbs best article

 

I've clicked on most of those links and none of them really gets into the details about ITBs.

Unfortunately, that's a grey area on Honda Tech. Seems like everyone knows about ITBs but not too quick to share their knowledge. Kind of dumb if you ask me. Everyone is so secretive about ITBs. I mean, you have guys in the forced induction forum making well over 500 whp and none of them are hiding what they're running.

Dood, you have no choice but to find information out on your own. I just ordered the Toda kit for my B18C5. I don't have crazy compression but I do have VTEC killers. 305in/295ex. So they're pretty high lift. I plan to daily drive it. I'm having a problem with the ECU and filter right now. Probably end up selling my Hondata and buying the EMS. Also, I can't find a filter for this thing. Found some ITG filters but damn, don't know where to buy them in the US.

If you have any more questions, don't hesitate to ask. I'll be learning alot when it does come in. Unfortunately all on my own. Oh well...

Good Luck bro

 

same here, learn on your own. for me though, daily itbs on a big big motor...

or better yet, learn about carbs, lol..

 

are you on stock compression? and how are your cams working w/ the compression?

 

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Not too many people know that i;ve seen thus far.

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Dood, you have no choice but to find information out on your own. I just ordered the Toda kit for my B18C5. I don't have crazy compression but I do have VTEC killers. 305in/295ex. So they're pretty high lift. I plan to daily drive it. I'm having a problem with the ECU and filter right now. Probably end up selling my Hondata and buying the EMS.
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I'd be willing to bet that you change your setup pretty soon.
VTEC Killers are totally a waste of money unless you have a race car.
Much morepower can be made with other cams and retain an idle on top that.
And then you got those ITBs... you can make more power with an itr manifold.

 

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i'm running them on my ride. i'v been running them for quite some time too( started with carbs). i'm running a wierd setup but i'll help with what i can.

good luck!

 

im not going to do this soon i just like to have something in mind.im in a high performance motot class and its in PA. so everyone is rednecks and all about v8s and they already know a turbocharged honda would spank all of them but i want to be able to with an all motor 4.

what comp. are you running, what rods and pistons?i know the comp. has to do high 13+.
is there a better why to port and polish a head for ITB?I have the compition port and polish by erics racing would that work?
what about valves,springs and retainers and injectors?
engine man. ?

what kind of whp could i get if done right?

thanks for not being a f*** d*ck about the ? the nascar guy was cool to.i guess theres a *** in every group.

ps. how much $ did it cost?

 

Most of the All-Motor class racers I've seen don't even use ITBs. I think the huge IM pretty much level the field with ITBs. Save yourself some $$ and spend it elsewhere like dyno tunning, you can never have enought of that.

 

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or better yet, learn about carbs, lol..</TD></TR></TABLE>

I don't get it! Where's the joke?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by na4doorgsr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">im not going to do this soon i just like to have something in mind.im in a high performance motot class and its in PA. so everyone is rednecks and all about v8s and they already know a turbocharged honda would spank all of them but i want to be able to with an all motor 4.

what comp. are you running, what rods and pistons?i know the comp. has to do high 13+.
is there a better why to port and polish a head for ITB?I have the compition port and polish by erics racing would that work?
what about valves,springs and retainers and injectors?
engine man. ?

what kind of whp could i get if done right?

thanks for not being a f*** d*ck about the ? the nascar guy was cool to.i guess theres a *** in every group.

ps. how much $ did it cost?


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if you want to be comptetive, you need to find a good engine builder. i doubt someone could build a very fast engine if you were just going off info from h-t

it sounds like you are already way in over your head and dont have much of an idea of what to do at all.

 

i'm working on a car with toda killers and itbs. it's running a motec computer which enables it to idle like stock w/ good driveability & acceptable gas mileage. currently, it's on a completely stock itr motor for experientation while a high compression race motor is being assembled.

i will say that it is extremely hard to tune, and i would not reccommend running these cams on stock itr compression. the toda killers have since been removed awaiting the new motor, and stock itr cams have been reinstalled. i predict the itr cams will make a lot more power.

 

"but honda engines are not meant to be turboed."

"AHAHAHAHAHA talk about that in the FI forum."

Given the fact that they do not come with cast iron blocks of a closed deck design with a lower compression ratio your assertion that some how they were meant for turbos is wrong

They work well only because of the basic build quality and a very well flowing head design

ITB's are not for street cars

With ITB's you are effectively almost 3x more air into the combustion chamber.

My old civic hatch sat on a dyno for 2 days while they tried to make a FULLY built 2.0L engine have acceptable drive charecteristics for road racing.

And in answer to your question the Red Shoes racing Accord made an additional 40 hp from there destroked prelude engine in 1996

However this also had 13:1 compression and over 360 all motor hp.

 

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I don't get it! Where's the joke?</TD></TR></TABLE>
not a joke...just laughing

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mythos EF &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">"but honda engines are not meant to be turboed."

"AHAHAHAHAHA talk about that in the FI forum."

Given the fact that they do not come with cast iron blocks of a closed deck design with a lower compression ratio your assertion that some how they were meant for turbos is wrong

They work well only because of the basic build quality and a very well flowing head design

ITB's are not for street cars

With ITB's you are effectively almost 3x more air into the combustion chamber.

My old civic hatch sat on a dyno for 2 days while they tried to make a FULLY built 2.0L engine have acceptable drive charecteristics for road racing.

And in answer to your question the Red Shoes racing Accord made an additional 40 hp from there destroked prelude engine in 1996

However this also had 13:1 compression and over 360 all motor hp.
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did I EVER say that they were MEANT for turbos.. NO. thanks...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Mythos EF &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">And in answer to your question the Red Shoes racing Accord made an additional 40 hp from there destroked prelude engine in 1996

However this also had 13:1 compression and over 360 all motor hp.
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13:1 comp and 360 all motor hp??? Can this be true?