https://honda-tech.com/zero...age=1


Does anyone have this or have factual information on how this header compares to Toda, Spoon, SMSP, and Hytech?

 

I should have some Dyno info on it third Week of June. I have it on my car now.

 

You really don't want my thoughts and opinion on this one...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Austin &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You really don't want my thoughts and opinion on this one...</TD></TR></TABLE>

Sure we do Austin . . .

 

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Sure we do Austin . . .</TD></TR></TABLE>

He`s just going to start in w/ the Comptech copied Hytech story....

I have the Comptech Unit and I`m very happy with it. Excellent quality and always in stock.

Ryan

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Austin &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You really don't want my thoughts and opinion on this one...</TD></TR></TABLE>

you're correct.
i have the gut feeling that we're gonna get them again though....without even asking.
maybe try to keep the speculation out of the mix and keep this post on track.


Modified by n1ek at 5:26 PM 5/22/2003

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vtecvoodoo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

He`s just going to start in w/ the Comptech copied Hytech story....

I have the Comptech Unit and I`m very happy with it. Excellent quality and always in stock.

Ryan</TD></TR></TABLE>

Haha thanks for the head up Ryan. I am very well aware of what Austin is up to. . .

 

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Haha thanks for the head up Ryan. I am very well aware of what Austin is up to. . . </TD></TR></TABLE>

Not up to jack ****, if someone wants to know about something they should DO A SEARCH on the topic, so **** off. Do the research and make your own conclusion.


https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=327697
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=347294
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=297109
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=263309
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=171354

 

comptech is not god.

can you all not handle the truth from austin?

 

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Not up to jack ****, if someone wants to know about something they should DO A SEARCH on the topic, so **** off. Do the research and make your own conclusion.


https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=327697
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=347294
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=297109
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=263309
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=171354</TD></TR></TABLE>

Austin unfortunately those posts don't seem to answer very many questions and the ones that they raise are question such as the folks making copying hytech allegations, have thye contacted John at Hytech AND Comptech? Do they have more than internet hear say?

You were involved with this before me so why don't you tell me why it is a Hytech knock off and then i will prove why it isn't?

Then we can answer the facts about the header itself. There is no need to tell anyone to **** off. We are all smarter than to not know there are hidden motives and agends. I am happy to discuss this civilly and leave it as agreeing to disagre but let's adress the facts of the matter for everyone.

After you . . . .

 

you just mad, cuz you can't get none.
swinging from sack doesn't equate to truth.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bob-DC2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">comptech is not god.

can you all not handle the truth from austin?</TD></TR></TABLE>

And neither is Hytech. At this point we have heard nothing from Austin and what makes his typing "truth" over others? Lets hear Austin's version then mine and we can all discuss it politely please.

 

what truth?
all i've ever seen is speculation.

and if austin wants to spout "the truth" let him.
seems like whenever this topic comes up, austin has his usual statement. which no one has ever proven.
i just said i didn't need to hear it again.
we all know austin loves john at hytech, and because of his "medication" john is/was a dick on this forum. but some actual info beyond that would be nice.
like i said in my first post...i just didn't want austin to clutter the post with his usual hype.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by n1ek &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what truth?
all i've ever seen is speculation.

and if austin wants to spout "the truth" let him.
seems like whenever this topic comes up, austin has his usual statement. which no one has ever proven.
i just said i didn't need to hear it again.
we all know austin loves john at hytech, and because of his "medication" john is/was a dick on this forum. but some actual info beyond that would be nice.
like i said in my first post...i just didn't want austin to clutter the post with his usual hype.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I don't want to see clutter but the official Austin side of the story would be nice. I will present some facts from the other side and then we can see where things fall . . .

Trey

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Asahi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I don't want to see clutter but the official Austin side of the story would be nice. I will present some facts from the other side and then we can see where things fall . . .

Trey</TD></TR></TABLE>

that's fine.
i've heard/seen the sides.
it's pretty cut and dry.
not how austin thinks though.

i'm just tired of hearing it everytime this comes up...almighty hytech, who blatantly copied a twin loop muffler crying because the THINK (ie: austin told them) their header got copied.

like i said, go ahead....lets see both sides.

 

However similar, the Comptech has several attributes that are Superior to the Hytech:

1) Comptech race header fits up without removing or modifying the transmission/block brace

2) Comptech race header is typically available from stock for immediate shipment

3) Comptech race header is less expensive

Scott, who doesn't use either product and who's gotten alot of his hearsay directly from the sources...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RR98ITR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">However similar, the Comptech has several attributes that are Superior to the Hytech:

1) Comptech race header fits up without removing or modifying the transmission/block brace

2) Comptech race header is typically available from stock for immediate shipment

3) Comptech race header is less expensive

Scott, who doesn't use either product and who's gotten alot of his hearsay directly from the sources...

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Dammit Scott you are killing me. Stealing my amunition (Could call it knocking off).

So you are saying there is something differnet about the Comptech in your #1 about the block guard. So there is an obvious difference between these "copies"

Man I so wanted to see what the Hytech camp was going to say. I know of at least 1 other change.

Anyone interested in what Scott means by modification of the block guard and what is required to make a hytech header fit an ITR? Can you say bandsaw?

 

I thought we were here to share information and knowledge, not gossip. Lets just let this horse die. It does neither company any good, nor the h-t`ers.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vtecvoodoo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Lets just let this horse die.</TD></TR></TABLE>No such luck... even after the horse is betten to death... the glue will be bashed and called different names.

A Public Forum = good and bad.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vtecvoodoo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I thought we were here to share information and knowledge, not gossip. Lets just let this horse die. It does neither company any good, nor the h-t`ers.

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I just wanted to share some first hand info i have gathered Ryan . . . ANd things that seem to be conviently left out when one side isn't represented.

Seems like the dead horse needs new shoes.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by IN2VTEC &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">https://honda-tech.com/zero...age=1


Does anyone have this or have factual information on how this header compares to Toda, Spoon, SMSP, and Hytech?</TD></TR></TABLE>

this guy is thinking, what happended to my question?

to give a brief answer, until trey gets his car dynoed. no one really has any back to back dynos of comptech vs the other big dogs.

This whole post has already gone down hill.
Austin is the only person outside of comptech that knows what happended with the hytech debacle
with the comptech header.(edit: he may not know the total truth, but he is closest to it) you might have to trust *gasp* his word. Seeing as how im friends with austin, and I know he is a stand up guy. I trust him a lot already, and value his word.

Without knowing him, you are just looking for errors or anything you can flame him on that he posts in this forum.
Likewise with what trey posts. I know he has zero firsthand knowledge with what happended regarding comptech's copy of the hytech header(as do i have zero knowledge) But he obviosly has a sway towards comptech's side with his newly formed connection with them now.

what do you want to turn this thread into? finding out the truth? or just turn it into a flame war against the hytech camp and how comptech desgned that header from the ground up, and it happended to look just like the hytech header.

there is already anti hytech movement on this board for his past actions. (which is expected) but I am not sure how you can think comptech did not copy major design ques from austins header while his whole car was at comptech for over 2 weeks

 

One thing I would like to point out, I do have the Comptech Unit and it has been dyno`d. I`m just using in it a really different setup so I don`t think my numbers really help compare it to the other headers on the market. I can tell you that I am very happy with its performance, fit and quality.

I have a Header Tech Unit, too. I can give you guys the 411 on that header if you wish. It made about 10 ponies over my dc jdm 4-1.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bob-DC2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

what do you want to turn this thread into? finding out the truth? or just turn it into a flame war against the hytech camp and how comptech desgned that header from the ground up, and it happended to look just like the hytech header.

there is already anti hytech movement on this board for his past actions. (which is expected) but I am not sure how you can think comptech did not copy major design ques from austins header while his whole car was at comptech for over 2 weeks</TD></TR></TABLE>

how is treys info any different from austins?
austin wasn't standing there. he just lost a car for two weeks for "testing"
granted it was his car, but he knows as much as you or i.
and what major design ques did they copy?
the 4 tube thing? the stepped design which they have been doing forever?
how do you think a long primaried 4 cyl header for the same app is going to look?
radically different?

i believe like any good company should...they looked at tested and improved upon many different headers...i'm sure they wouldn't be so obtuse as to only look at a hytech header.
do you think companies don't look at the competition?
i'm sure aem and everyone else tests other peoples intakes in their search to develop "the one"

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bob-DC2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Austin is the only person outside of comptech that knows what happended with the hytech debacle
with the comptech header.</TD></TR></TABLE>
how?
Austin was there when comptech "developed" this header?
has Austin consulted the Great Carnac of header hyarchies?

face it....there is only so many ways to build a header, right?
the Toda & Mugen one's are both 4-1....who copied whom?
or did they both "bite" the Honda of Japan design?
or maybe, the took a tried and proven desing & tweaked it to gain benifits for gains in performance...

4-2-1 designs have been around about as long as the 4cyl internal combustion engine....
unless you build a header unique like an AN-R....i doubt you can call any header a "copy"...

i've never seen both side by side but,
i think it's highly possible for 2 companies with similar or equal knowledge & expertice in header design and engineering to come up with "silmilar" designs....

and if one happens to fit better, or is cheaper....it's a buyer's market...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Asahi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Austin unfortunately those posts don't seem to answer very many questions and the ones that they raise are question such as the folks making copying hytech allegations, have thye contacted John at Hytech AND Comptech? Do they have more than internet hear say?

You were involved with this before me so why don't you tell me why it is a Hytech knock off and then i will prove why it isn't?

Then we can answer the facts about the header itself. There is no need to tell anyone to **** off. We are all smarter than to not know there are hidden motives and agends. I am happy to discuss this civilly and leave it as agreeing to disagre but let's adress the facts of the matter for everyone.

After you . . . . </TD></TR></TABLE>

Facts:

March '01 - stock new 2001 itr delivered to Comptech for testing of their then new Icebox vs the AEM and Injen cold air intakes, both products on loan from hecklervtec
http://www.imagestation.com/pi...0.jpg

June '01 - car was delivered to Comptech for installation of Toda spec B cams, Toda valve springs, Toda cam gears, Portflow Ti retainers, A'PEXi PowerFC and J&S Safeguard
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=49007

July '01 - car was delivered to Comptech for installation of the first HyTech production header, Carsound cat, and Comptech exhaust, along with dyno tuning, 2 weeks prior to itrEXPO #1.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=57750

July '01 - car attended itrEXPO #1 where it was driven and the HyTech header was shown

August '01 - car was retuned at DynoSpot Racing
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=62289

August '01 - car was dropped off two times for a total of ~6 days at Comptech for testing and evaluation of a new Race header, comparitive testing was done versus the stock JDM '98 spec itr header, Comptech USDM header, and the HyTech header
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=62865
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=63553

August '01 - initial Comptech Race header design included short primary 4-2-1 design with interchangable collectors, and differing lengths of the collector to allow the GSR length exhaust and Type-R length exhaust to be used, along with the larger collector for people that wanted to use the 2.5" for higher tuned vehicles.

April '02 - IAS, new Comptech Race header debute
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=171354

Why do I know so much about this? It was <u>my car and my HyTech header</u> that Comptech used for the development of their Race header. I am thoroughly disgusted with their final product, and their stance on how it was produced. The header is almost an exact replica of the HyTech header, with the exception of the anti-reversion chambers were not used(patented design). HyTech has drawn up and submitted the needed information to patent specific design characteristics that are inherent in the HyTech design and build.

Austin