Anyone heard of "cryogenics" or the process of "freezing" rods??
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Anyone heard of "cryogenics" or the process of "freezing" rods??
Anyone heard of that process where they "freeze" rods to make them 50% stonger than stock?? if so, is anyone boosting on these?? And how much does it cost?? Enlighten us please...
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Re: Anyone heard of "cryogenics" or the process of "freezing" rods?? (arsenaldragster)
Yeah, some guys do it. I dont know about 50% stronger though...thats kinda far fetched.
Valve springs are popular to have done, as with transmission internals.
Valve springs are popular to have done, as with transmission internals.
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Re: Anyone heard of "cryogenics" or the process of "freezing" rods?? (MiraiZ)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MiraiZ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">don't see how that can make a difference...tey are gonna be heated up anyways?</TD></TR></TABLE> it obviously not literally "freezing" them. if you dont know and understand this process you shouldnt respond.. im looking for intellegent insight please. 
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Re: Anyone heard of "cryogenics" or the process of "freezing" rods?? (MiraiZ)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MiraiZ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">don't see how that can make a difference...tey are gonna be heated up anyways?</TD></TR></TABLE>
it breaks down the bonds in the molecules, and puts them back together more correctly.. Suppose to make **** like 200 times stronger....
Its pretty cheap to, you can do any thing metal, best thing is brake rotors and pads..
it breaks down the bonds in the molecules, and puts them back together more correctly.. Suppose to make **** like 200 times stronger....
Its pretty cheap to, you can do any thing metal, best thing is brake rotors and pads..
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Re: Anyone heard of "cryogenics" or the process of "freezing" rods?? (arsenaldragster)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by arsenaldragster »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> it obviously not literally "freezing" them. if you dont know and understand this process you shouldnt respond.. im looking for intellegent insight please. </TD></TR></TABLE>
it is actually freezing them.. they dip them i think under like -250 degrees, and make it warmer in time.. process thats a few days.. like every 10 mins it gets 2 degress hotter.. something like that.
</TD></TR></TABLE>it is actually freezing them.. they dip them i think under like -250 degrees, and make it warmer in time.. process thats a few days.. like every 10 mins it gets 2 degress hotter.. something like that.
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Re: Anyone heard of "cryogenics" or the process of "freezing" rods?? (arsenaldragster)
The freezing basically finishes the transformation that the rods go through when they are heat treated then quenched.
The freezing is done at -210C or lower (so no your deep freeze wont work).
The process does help hardness but decreases toughness (which is what you want your rods to be). The gains are minimal and are usually used for dimensional reasons not physical properties (i.e. heat wont change dimension of part).
Unless you know what steel your rods are made of and can afford the cryo treatment I would look elsewhere.
Its so expensive versus actual gain in properties that we dont use it where I work....degreed metallurgist in gear heat treatment in a big yellow bulldozer plant.
The freezing is done at -210C or lower (so no your deep freeze wont work).
The process does help hardness but decreases toughness (which is what you want your rods to be). The gains are minimal and are usually used for dimensional reasons not physical properties (i.e. heat wont change dimension of part).
Unless you know what steel your rods are made of and can afford the cryo treatment I would look elsewhere.
Its so expensive versus actual gain in properties that we dont use it where I work....degreed metallurgist in gear heat treatment in a big yellow bulldozer plant.
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Re: Anyone heard of "cryogenics" or the process of "freezing" rods?? (Jordo)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jordo »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
it is actually freezing them.. they dip them i think under like -250 degrees, and make it warmer in time.. process thats a few days.. like every 10 mins it gets 2 degress hotter.. something like that. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Actually, they don't "dip" them, that would probably **** them up, if anything. When metal is cryogenically treated it is brought down from room temperature at about 1º every few minutes, depending on the place, and back up to room temperature, 1º every few minutes, after sitting at the lowest temp for a while...I understand that it makes parts 10-20% stronger, and at the price it seems that it is only good for people that are into class racing (ie. engine must be "stock") or people that are pushing the limits of aftermarket parts.
it is actually freezing them.. they dip them i think under like -250 degrees, and make it warmer in time.. process thats a few days.. like every 10 mins it gets 2 degress hotter.. something like that. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Actually, they don't "dip" them, that would probably **** them up, if anything. When metal is cryogenically treated it is brought down from room temperature at about 1º every few minutes, depending on the place, and back up to room temperature, 1º every few minutes, after sitting at the lowest temp for a while...I understand that it makes parts 10-20% stronger, and at the price it seems that it is only good for people that are into class racing (ie. engine must be "stock") or people that are pushing the limits of aftermarket parts.
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Re: Anyone heard of "cryogenics" or the process of "freezing" rods?? (ion_four)
thats more like it. thanks guys!! so is anyone running stock rods?? i will be boosting daily around 6-8 pounds and like 10 on a track day. as far as price, less than 1/3 the price of crower rods... no one here seems to be running them.. anyone else??
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Re: Anyone heard of "cryogenics" or the process of "freezing" rods?? (niedejb)
Exactly what I was going so say, exept more in depth. It helps, but not enough for it to be worth the money for the average Joe.
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Re: Anyone heard of "cryogenics" or the process of "freezing" rods?? (arsenaldragster)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by arsenaldragster »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> it obviously not literally "freezing" them. if you dont know and understand this process you shouldnt respond.. im looking for intellegent insight please. </TD></TR></TABLE>
EXCUSE ME...weanie-ball n000b! Obviously YOU didn't know too much about it either...so your comments were uncalled for!!!
And my point was that even thought freezing may make them stronger, heat will distort and break them down eventually anyways, so why bother? There are other processes that will make rods stronger, but since you wanna be an *******, then I'll let you wonder about it!!
</TD></TR></TABLE>EXCUSE ME...weanie-ball n000b! Obviously YOU didn't know too much about it either...so your comments were uncalled for!!!
And my point was that even thought freezing may make them stronger, heat will distort and break them down eventually anyways, so why bother? There are other processes that will make rods stronger, but since you wanna be an *******, then I'll let you wonder about it!!
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Re: Anyone heard of "cryogenics" or the process of "freezing" rods?? (DSC)
supposedly it makes panty hose last 10X as long... i read that on some cyro site, it's also used on brake rotors to make the pads last longer. supposedly good stuff!
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Re: Anyone heard of "cryogenics" or the process of "freezing" rods?? (MiraiZ)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MiraiZ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
EXCUSE ME...weanie-ball n000b! Obviously YOU didn't know too much about it either...so your comments were uncalled for!!!
And my point was that even thought freezing may make them stronger, heat will distort and break them down eventually anyways, so why bother? There are other processes that will make rods stronger, but since you wanna be an *******, then I'll let you wonder about it!! </TD></TR></TABLE>
Quote from http://www.metal-wear.com/racing.htm
Rotating Assembly
Cryo Processing reduces wear and breakage of crankshafts. Two major racing
crankshaft makers cryo treat their products as part of the production process. Cryo
treating cast crankshafts greatly reduces wear and breakage. Cryo treating
bearings helps to increase their life and reduce instances of cracking. Connecting
rods respond to cryo by an increase in life and toughness. Dyer's Top Rods
cryogenically treats all of its connecting rods and is known for having one of the
toughest rods in the market. Pistons resist detonation longer when treated, and also
distort less in use. Piston pins wear less. Piston rings seal better, vibrate less, and last
longer.
Actually looks like it reduces wear and breakage .. do some research *******.. dont flame my thread! i was asking if anyone knew about it. You obviously dont.. keep your negativity to yourself we dont need it on this board.
Thanks DSC for the link
EXCUSE ME...weanie-ball n000b! Obviously YOU didn't know too much about it either...so your comments were uncalled for!!!
And my point was that even thought freezing may make them stronger, heat will distort and break them down eventually anyways, so why bother? There are other processes that will make rods stronger, but since you wanna be an *******, then I'll let you wonder about it!!
</TD></TR></TABLE>Quote from http://www.metal-wear.com/racing.htm
Rotating Assembly
Cryo Processing reduces wear and breakage of crankshafts. Two major racing
crankshaft makers cryo treat their products as part of the production process. Cryo
treating cast crankshafts greatly reduces wear and breakage. Cryo treating
bearings helps to increase their life and reduce instances of cracking. Connecting
rods respond to cryo by an increase in life and toughness. Dyer's Top Rods
cryogenically treats all of its connecting rods and is known for having one of the
toughest rods in the market. Pistons resist detonation longer when treated, and also
distort less in use. Piston pins wear less. Piston rings seal better, vibrate less, and last
longer.
Actually looks like it reduces wear and breakage
.. do some research *******.. dont flame my thread! i was asking if anyone knew about it. You obviously dont.. keep your negativity to yourself we dont need it on this board.Thanks DSC for the link
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Re: Anyone heard of "cryogenics" or the process of "freezing" rods?? (arsenaldragster)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by arsenaldragster »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thats more like it. thanks guys!! so is anyone running stock rods?? i will be boosting daily around 6-8 pounds and like 10 on a track day. as far as price, less than 1/3 the price of crower rods... no one here seems to be running them.. anyone else??</TD></TR></TABLE>
I run 11 psi daily..289 hp on stock internals...i'm planning on pushing the boost up to about 14-15 psi to make a little over 330 hp..I wanna see how long the stock motor will last..I wouldn't waste my time or money with the process your talking about..they use this process i believe to pin b16a pistons on ls rods..??
I run 11 psi daily..289 hp on stock internals...i'm planning on pushing the boost up to about 14-15 psi to make a little over 330 hp..I wanna see how long the stock motor will last..I wouldn't waste my time or money with the process your talking about..they use this process i believe to pin b16a pistons on ls rods..??
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Re: Anyone heard of "cryogenics" or the process of "freezing" rods?? (MiraiZ)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MiraiZ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">don't see how that can make a difference...tey are gonna be heated up anyways?</TD></TR></TABLE>
i see how you got so many posts now. great reply
i'm not sure how the cryo process works either but i know the process does make the metal stronger for sure. i know people that have done their gearbox, axles,rods etc.. it does make it stronger
i see how you got so many posts now. great reply
i'm not sure how the cryo process works either but i know the process does make the metal stronger for sure. i know people that have done their gearbox, axles,rods etc.. it does make it stronger
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Re: Anyone heard of "cryogenics" or the process of "freezing" rods?? (MotorMatrix.com)
IMO the cryo process is freezing a part at super colt temps in order to make the metal more dense and stronger, I assume by the metal not returining to its former density, or in a way "forging" the metal.
..or maybe I'm way off.
personally, Id rather use the "Met-Lax" method. bolting parts to a vibrating table set to a specific frequency to relieve stress in the metal part.
..or maybe I'm way off.
personally, Id rather use the "Met-Lax" method. bolting parts to a vibrating table set to a specific frequency to relieve stress in the metal part.
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Re: Anyone heard of "cryogenics" or the process of "freezing" rods?? (espano(ls))
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by espano(ls) »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I run 11 psi daily..289 hp on stock internals...i'm planning on pushing the boost up to about 14-15 psi to make a little over 330 hp..I wanna see how long the stock motor will last..I wouldn't waste my time or money with the process your talking about..they use this process i believe to pin b16a pistons on ls rods..??</TD></TR></TABLE>
Great numbers!! are you a ls or gsr and is it in a hatch or a coupe?? give us details
I run 11 psi daily..289 hp on stock internals...i'm planning on pushing the boost up to about 14-15 psi to make a little over 330 hp..I wanna see how long the stock motor will last..I wouldn't waste my time or money with the process your talking about..they use this process i believe to pin b16a pistons on ls rods..??</TD></TR></TABLE>
Great numbers!! are you a ls or gsr and is it in a hatch or a coupe?? give us details
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Re: Anyone heard of "cryogenics" or the process of "freezing" rods?? (arsenaldragster)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by arsenaldragster »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Great numbers!! are you a ls or gsr and is it in a hatch or a coupe?? give us details </TD></TR></TABLE>
The car is an ls integra (use to have a gsr, but it's now back to ls)..the only mods i have besides a turbo kit i pieced together is a skunk manifold and b20 throttle body.
Great numbers!! are you a ls or gsr and is it in a hatch or a coupe?? give us details </TD></TR></TABLE>The car is an ls integra (use to have a gsr, but it's now back to ls)..the only mods i have besides a turbo kit i pieced together is a skunk manifold and b20 throttle body.
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Re: Anyone heard of "cryogenics" or the process of "freezing" rods?? (espano(ls))
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by espano(ls) »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The car is an ls integra (use to have a gsr, but it's now back to ls)..the only mods i have besides a turbo kit i pieced together is a skunk manifold and b20 throttle body.</TD></TR></TABLE>
What size turbo? Gutted interior? You are my inspiration
The car is an ls integra (use to have a gsr, but it's now back to ls)..the only mods i have besides a turbo kit i pieced together is a skunk manifold and b20 throttle body.</TD></TR></TABLE>
What size turbo? Gutted interior? You are my inspiration
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Re: Anyone heard of "cryogenics" or the process of "freezing" rods?? (mskibbz-T)
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What size turbo? Gutted interior? You are my inspiration </TD></TR></TABLE>
lol..thanks..yeah, it's gutted..it weighs 2340..the turbo is just a t3/t4...good luck
What size turbo? Gutted interior? You are my inspiration
</TD></TR></TABLE>lol..thanks..yeah, it's gutted..it weighs 2340..the turbo is just a t3/t4...good luck
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