Hey guys,

Sitting around bored on a Sunday afternoon browsing around the internet I've been reading a lot about engine management and tuning. I currently have a VAFC and a T1R exhaust. Sometime this spring/summer I plan on getting a header, high-flow cat, and a FPR. (Per the reccomendation of OG Bizzle.) Essentially what I am wondering is at what point is greater engine management needed? With a basic I/H/E setup, would a well-tuned Hondata yeild any gains over a VAFC/FPR?

On the same token, say you're running a I/H/E setup along with some mild near-stock spec cams like some Toda A's or Skunk2 Stage 1's... Would camgears and a VAFC/FPR be enough to make the cams shine since they aren't that different from stock, or would you need Hondata to truely make them shine?

What I'm trying to figure out is at what point is Hondata needed, at what point it will provide decent gains, etc.

 

well, hondata can give you gains from a stock set up. so i'm sure they can out-do any V-AFC set up with I/H/E involved. but i think your wondering when is it actually worth it to get more gains from using the hondata..

IMO, i'd only get hondata if i were to get wilder cams and/or bumping the compression along with your I/H/E set up. for a simple I/H/E set up.. V-AFC and FPR should suffice, hondata will do better..but not needed.

 

ditto

hondata also allows timing to be set.

remember with hondata you also get lots of cool features/toys to have fun with
-data logging
-g-sensor (logging of +/- loads on your car) to then give you cornering load, braking, and accleration results
-full throttle shift, and drag launch rev-limiter
-if you wanted, you could change your fuel/timing maps

I would only get hondata if you have a dealer in your area who is knowledgable in tuning with hondata.

the gains you could make with hondata are minimal over v-afc. for the extra money that it would cost to go to hondata, you could get other mods (bigger injectors/cam gears)

another cool thing with hondata, is that when your dealer sends it out to you. it is pretty much plug and play. you dont need extensive tuning to make good power. If you tell the dealer your mods and injectors and important stuff, they can load a base map that will make good power on your car from the get go.

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=443103
I only made some midrange power from getting an hours worth of tuning.

I would think that before you start getting more mods, put your money into more drivers schools and such. You will appreciate your car for what it is right now, and be able to go faster on the track.

 

Ehh... The way I look at that, and I get the impression most of the Chicago crew think I'm an idiot because of this, but... I could spend money on mods and have more fun every time I get in my car to go to work, going faster and being louder, or I could spend money to drive around on a track for a few hours I want to get the few basic mods I want, and then I'm going to be hitting the track circuit hard and heavy

 

get the mugen oil pan, a dedicated set of brake pads/rotors for the track. and get around to get a decent header & intake. and you will have a very fun track toy

 

So I'd just call them up and be like "Hi I have a stock ITR with an AEM CAI, VAFC, and T1R exhaust" and they'd be able to send me a Hondata I just plug in and it would give me some HP gains? I'm kind of skepitcal anything electronics related can be that easy

 

no.. not at all... the whole point of hondata is to get the best of your car.. and yes, tuning could be minimal yet very efficient. you can drive on basemaps, but i wouldn't, i'd wait until you get it tuned. - theres no point of hondata if you don't get it tuned.

 

Meh, doesn't appear to be any Hondata dealers anywhere near Chicago

 

yeah, you will of course will make more power with tuning. You will make more power than stock ecu with the hondata base map though.

hondata has more dealers than what they have listed on their website. call your tuners that have dynos in your area to see if they support hondata.