just wondering if anyone have experience with the 2 pieces, and how does it make a different.............

Thanks in advance

 

yes.
several people on the board have stepped up to the 23 and seem to like it quite a bit.

 

119%... do a search...

 

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=100159

 

Yes. Big difference? No. Noticeable difference? Yes.

 

This is incorrect. It is stronger/less resistant to flex by a FACTOR of 1.19, which means it is 19% stronger.

Quote from an archived thread:

Using the info above -
23mm is 19% stronger than 22mm
26mm is 95.1% stronger than 22mm
26mm is 63.3% stronger than 23mm


[Modified by Chris N, 4:26 PM 2/12/2003]

 

i have the 26mm front and 23mm rear on my EG their both jdm and i havent really tested them to the potential, since i upgrade few days ago from nothing but just first drive was definitely

 

You won't be able to tell a difference in street driving.

 

Oh well, maybe he meant by a factor of 119%.....

 

For the money it is hard to beet the 23mm bar if your setup warrants it.

If you are running with the stock 22mm bar and suffer from mild under-steer in conditions where some over-steer would be preferred then the 23mm bar will definitely help. If you suffer from massive under-steer then you will need to approach the solution differently. The difference between the two bars is subtle but very noticeable if your driving the car at its limits.

Having felt the difference between the two bars on the same car I can say that the 23mm bar is near perfect for my setup. Going to 26mm without other changes would be going to far. The 24mm might work well but for the price... I'll just add 1-2psi in the rear and get some free rotation.

 

so for subtle corner exit understeer which I try to correct with throttle (caution)
the the rear bar would help how is that please enlighten me I was begining to think I needed a front bar ohh and is the front one same as JDM one?
btw where can I get them?thanks!

 

Yeah I felt a differance when I upgraded to the 23mm swaybar. It was not a dramatic differance in handling but you could feel that the rear of the car wanting to come around alittle more when you corner hard. Actually I think they should have put them on the USDM Type Rs as standard equipment.

 

the jdm front bar is a bit larger too as well isnt it? if it is different from the usdm, it may be well worth it to balance the car out more by switchin to that... that way you would stay grounded without as much tendency to swing out.

 

I would think very few people would want to increase their front bar to LOWER their rotation. If that were the goal, then going back to the original USDM bar would be a cheaper solution.

**Note: YES, you can actually feel the difference between the rear 22/23mm bar, even on the street if you have a few nice undeveloped and newly paved business districts near your home For me, it made about the same difference in feel as adding the JDM rear strut bar (borrowed one for the expo last year) when I had fully stock suspension.

That reminds me - anybody have a JDM rear strut bar they need to get rid of??? email me with a price at jeff@itrca.com if you do.

 

Corner exit under-steer in a FWD car can always be induced by excess throttle. With the 23mm bar you are starting with a little more over-steer at balanced throttle. This results in a more balanced car on corner exit. Of course corner entry is also improved as the car will rotate into the corner with much more ease.

The overall effect is increased corner speed because you are not fighting with under-steer throughout the corner.

Hope that made sense...

 

No

 

so that would mean for us little civic people upgrading to the itr 22mm bar from 13mm would be a 720% stronger bar

 

No what?

 

Which is probably why you need the bsq/beaks reinforcement kit!

VX hatch with 22mm itr rear sway and no front sway - interesting ride.

 

that would be splitime's hatch right?

that must be a little scary...

 

It's Dave's, yep. It's not scary... its fun.
I have a feeling the car will be much more balanced when all the suspension sitting in my garage goes on the car.

 

that car needs balance... the drop might help a bit, but a front sway bar would be optimal.

 

Got an IM about my setup so I figured I would post my response here for interests sake.

My current setup includes Zeal 2B coilovers with the stiffer of the two sets of springs available (12kg/mm - 8kg/mm if I remember correctly), Skunk2 front camber kit, rear camber kit, and the 23mm RSB.

Currently I run on Kumho 205x50x15s on the stock wheels set at equal tire pressure front and rear ~38-40psi hot. My alignment settings are ~2.5deg camber in front ~1.5deg in the rear with 1/8th toe out front and back. Typically I set the shocks to 5-5 or 6-6. Before the 23mm bar went in I needed to offset the shocks to 5F-6R for a similar (yet compromised) effect.

The 23mm bar was a big help in getting the car to rotate into corners. Vehicle slip angle is then adjusted through the corner with throttle modulation. Corner exit is a very smooth transition from over-steer to under-steer as I squeeze the gas.

These corner dynamics apply to most slow to med-high speed corners that don’t have any elevation or camber changes.

Hope I didn’t give to much away (expo coming up and all)