hey i was looking at puting a sc in my 98 teg. how much do new ones cost? where can i find em? how much do used ones run for and what should i look for to make shure they are quality? also what kinda of mods do you need to run the sc safely, with a respectable amout of boost that is. thanks.....

 

Well, by no means am I an authority, but here's what I know: if you are going to supercharge, go with the Jackson Racing supercharger. New, it runs I believe about $2650 at Nopi.com (if anyone knows a better price, pipe up!). The kit comes out of the box ready to be installed. You don't have to have any mods done to your car, although you won't be maximizing potential if you haven't done at least I/H/E. Also, the unit comes pushing about 6-7 psi. I believe you can upgrade this with a pulley that allows you to run almost 12 psi, but at that point I think you will definately need to run a fuel management system, such as Hondata, to be safe and get max efficiency outta the system. You might upgrade your internals too, although I've heard some claim they have been fine on stock internals with very good tuning at this level.

Most of the guys and gals here will tell you to turbo. But I am constantly shifting back and forth over the choice. I believe a supercharger is more reliable in terms of maintenance. Now I am sure I'll get grilled for this by other members who will say that a properly cared for turbo is just as good and has more potential. But here is my problem (which, depending on your situation, might be yours too): I am not capable of tuning an engine on my own, nor are any of my friends. So, I would think that a supercharger is not as complex as a turbo system, therefore, I would have better luck with it.

In the end, it's up to you. I personally am leaning towards a turbo, because, hopefully, by that point I will have educated myself enough to tune it correctly on my own. In the mean time, I will leave it up to the professionals.

 

well said

 

Dont forget the legal issue with smog
In a clear picture here..
Turbo-Usually illegal, due to the parts are not meeting certain laws. exhaust gaese, yadi yadi
Supercharger-Legal, from what I know of.

 

with a 2650 price tag would it still be more expensive than a turbo set up ( after turbo kit, intercooler, fuel pump, plugs/wires, ect)? also what do you think a used sc would cost? also with a turbo is your "exhaust mani-turbo-down pipe" bigger than your stock headers? like for example, i already have a new cat-back, would i need to get a new exhaust with a turbo?

 

you can use your stock exhaust w/ a turbo. its better to run a 3" exhaust with either one..but the stock one will do. supercharger is definitely the cheaper way...but i think the jrsc does its job well. produces around 200 whp..and runs low boost so is safer on internals.

 

superchargers=gay IMO

 

so does anyone know what a good used price is?.. anyone.. ..dont everyone anwser at once now..

 

You can find them used for pretty cheap, and that is what I would recommend if you are buying one. I've seen whole kits go for around $1300, but that's kinda low. Check ebay and the classifieds. There are usually one or two for sale.

 

Very informative... we all appreceate your response.

 

ok........they eat up more power to run than a turbo, and they dont provide full boost untill redline. everyone says "oh but i like the low end torque for daily driving" WHO CARES! your not going fast for "daily driving" so why does it matter?

I think ill take a little less low end power for full boost 3k earliar and a much faster overall car.

superchargers

 

IMHO, the JRSC hot soaks way o much to be effective with spirited driving. I lent my GSR out to be a test rat to Procharger and their kit looks nice on my car. (No I am not keeping it, I like n/a) What makes this a better kit is there is a front mount intercooler and the s/c itself mounts down by the washer fluid jug. If you are interested visit their website, but the Integra s/c isn't quite ready for sale but they have info on the Civic Si that they did.

 

better read this if your planning on getting a supercharger...
http://tech.hybridgarage.com/tech/marc-jrsc-after.html

 

Damn! that a good article and very informative.. I think turbo is the way to go

 

I personally like the JRSC. I'd like it allot more if the intake charge could be cooled however. My own car, being a GSR I'm all motor. I just can't help but be somewhat disapointed when I see a JRSC GSR chart that peaks around 212ish. Now if I had an LS then I'd have a turbo/SC battle. I think the turbo would win that battle however.

 

I like the JRSC as well and I agree about the intake temperature thing. I don't know if Jackson decided an intercooler would just be too expensive or too difficult because I seriously doubt they just plain didn't consider it. Water injection helps but is not the best solution IMO.

A local shop known as Team KLR has fabricated a custom air-water intercooling system for the JRSC, however the total setup runs about 2 grand. :\ However I believe it brings temperatures down to ambient(!)

As far as peak numbers are concerned, a guy I know had a JRSC running 9 lbs on a gsr and his highest HP was 246, with no water injection and an FMU. Maybe his car was a factory freak though.

 

Wow, you really have no idea what you're talking about do you? The JRSC makes full boost at about 2k RPM. That's the one with lowend torque. The Vortech, a centrifugal supercharger, makes full boost only at redline.. and is probably a poor choice for a small displacement Honda. Prochargers are meant for Mustangs, IMO.

Anyway. When daily driving, it's nice to be able to get your car out of it's own way without having to rev the **** out of it.. that's why having the low end grunt of a roots blower is a nice benefit. It has nothing to do with 'going fast.'

Please do not make misinformed posts in the future.

 

good point

 

You tell em Cow.

Now the problem with water injection is...now you've got micro water particles in your intake charge...and yes I know they evaporate, but ummm...doesn't that subtract from the intake charge of A/F?

 

Bad comment. 2000 GSR, JRSC @10psi, 12.9 in the 1/4. Gay huh? I suppose your 15 second car is cooler though. For reliability they are tops, for power, they are so-so. To do a turbo absolutly correct the first time around I was quoted 4 grand. [Flame me] Its key that you have a GSR, LS's with JRSC's at crap. I had one, barely made 170whp with all the bolt ons. My GSR is making roughly 270.
gmoore

 

Yes, exactly. Think about it: every particle of water is taking up space that COULD be used by air/fuel. This is why I don't like water injection; it's just another bandaid (something JR is full of ). Some people like it, and that's fine. I personally think a good intercooler is a much better solution.

Another problem is it's another fluid to top off. And if you're tuned to the threshold of detonation and you forget to fill your AquaMist resorvoir.. bye-bye engine.

 

N/A ownz joo!

 

If they could find a way to squeeze a proper aftercooler on the JRSC, I may even get interested. W/o I think you're right, there are just too many band-aids to stop detonation. Least it's allot more impressive than that other SC I saw for the teg...ewww.

 

In a way you are correct about cent. s/c being for Mustangs but there is a such thing as reducing the size of the turbine and housing to size it properly with a Honda. And as far as having max boost at 2k that is great but I think it would be put to better use (traction, clutch..etc etc) if the s/c boost was more linear, like Honda intended it.
My question is: I am sure we have all seen dyno plots of the JRSC, Vortech in SCC, they all have a peak whp around 235-246 or so. Why when they drag test them they are in the low to mid 14's. I think if you dyno a car , you should do it with the hood closed to represent CLOSER to real world conditions.

EDIT: BTW with the system I mentioned, below VTEC the car is pretty mellow but when VTEC hits it pulls like banshee. That maybe good for folks like me and others maybe not.


[Modified by Comp97GSR, 4:43 PM 1/24/2003]

 

Turbo owns joo!

... figured I'd combat a stupid reply with... another stupid reply.


I was thinking about getting a JRSC for a long time before I went FI, even researched the hostboard FI forum (all jrsc tegs there) but in the end even with my automatic I decided to go ***** out t3/t4 turbo..... Way more potential, I can live with lag cause I don't wanna boost driving around normally anyway, and the power rush is sick.....