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Old May 4, 2012 | 01:53 PM
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Default MSD 2step/revlimit verse s300

I am about to buy...

MSD 6 Digital Ignition Box
Part #'s 6421(6AL-2 box), 6201(6A box), or 6425(6AL box)

MSD Blaster HVC-2 Ignition Coil
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MSD Modified Distributor Cap and Rotor Kits
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MSD 8.5mm Super Conductor Spark Plug Wire Set
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Just bought...

Honda OEM Dizzy housing
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Turbo-LS's Ignitor By-Pass
waiting on shipping


I am already tuned on hondata s300 but i did not set-up the 2-step or rev limit.I was wondering should i go with the MSD 2-step/rev limiter or the Hondata s300 2step/rev limiter?
I know the hondata has either fuel or fuel and ignition cut...

The car is NA at the moment with plans of boost in the future.


Also according to summit the 6AL-2 box spark output is 135 while the 6AL/6A say 135-145 i thought the AL-2 would have the higher spark output not sure why its like that? any difference? the AL-2 box does look the coolest thou :p


Everything is in the shopping basket ready to go, just wanted to get my small concerns out of the way b4 sending close 2 500$ to summit. If any1 has any input on small things i may need that i did not list to get everything going please chime in.
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Old May 4, 2012 | 02:10 PM
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keep stock or do the coilpack retrofit,dont mess with all that msd trash
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Old May 4, 2012 | 02:27 PM
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im not keeping it stock -_-
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Old May 4, 2012 | 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by MugenSpeclNY
im not keeping it stock -_-
Well considering you have absolutely no need for that set up unless your making north of 500 whp and running boost so high that you have blow out problems, I say go for it, waste that hard earned $500 on something that "looks cool".
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Old May 4, 2012 | 03:57 PM
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well i do want to run #s like that in the future, and this is a prep step, same with other things i have done, u think i NEED an S300 setup on a bolt-on GSR obviously no but its preparing my set-up for what i want to do.....its all prep

Jesus Christ on the looks cool, dude **** the **** off. all i was saying is the one box looks better then the other.

**** man go kick rocks...
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Old May 4, 2012 | 04:11 PM
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is your block sleeved also? if not just save the money until you are ready and have the rest of the motor setup to support 500+whp
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Old May 4, 2012 | 04:26 PM
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Get the 6AL-2. It has a built-in 2-step module with adjustable RPM ranges. You'll eliminate the need to buy the 2-step module, and those over-priced RPM "pills". I have one in my car and absolutely love it.
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Old May 4, 2012 | 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by DC4KiD
Get the 6AL-2. It has a built-in 2-step module with adjustable RPM ranges. You'll eliminate the need to buy the 2-step module, and those over-priced RPM "pills". I have one in my car and absolutely love it.
Thank you for your input regrading my question. much appreciated.
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Old May 4, 2012 | 05:23 PM
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Seriously, the stock ignition will support serious power, that's my point, you don't really need this stuff.and why use msd 2 step when it is already available with your ecu?
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Old May 4, 2012 | 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by MugenSpeclNY
Thank you for your input regrading my question. much appreciated.
The MSD-6AL-2 is not too bad on the megajoules of spark. This one isn't a bad choice because it keeps you from closing the gap of plugs on a constant basis. But it may be a bit easier to use your hondata for the 2-step activation.

good list of parts on the HVC-II. Good luck.
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Old May 4, 2012 | 06:10 PM
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The MSD-6AL-2 is not too bad on the megajoules of spark. This one isn't a bad choice because it keeps you from closing the gap of plugs on a constant basis. But it may be a bit easier to use your hondata for the 2-step activation.

good list of parts on the HVC-II. Good luck.
Thank you Shodan, you've been very helpful with all my nub questions. Thank you for the support on my chosen list of parts, im excited to get all this in and move to the next step in the build, its a slow process for me but in my mind i doing it right and at a pace i am comfortable with. I have no plans 2 sell my car soon so i have all the time in the world

I think i might go with the AL-2 set-up just so i can mess around with the 2step myself and really dial it in compared to telling miller i want it set at 4k and have 4k be to high or 2 low. The MSD i can switch on the fly which i like. Perfecting launches is fun to me so it should be a good time dialing it in.

MY main concern was i know hondata use fuel or fuel and ignition cut. I read a few things regrading ignition verse fuel cut...from what i think i understand ignition cut builds boost easier with 2step but can wash the cyc walls with fuel, fuel cut on a rev limiter under boost = no good. Some say fuel cut can be bad b/c of lean condition but if there's no fuel how can there be a lean condition? i thought 2 be lean you needed some sort of fuel in the equation? So if fuel is totally cut it wont be lean. IDK i may be thinking to hard on a simple subject...
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Old May 4, 2012 | 06:10 PM
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Default Re: MSD 2step/revlimit verse s300

Originally Posted by MugenSpeclNY
well i do want to run #s like that in the future, and this is a prep step, same with other things i have done, u think i NEED an S300 setup on a bolt-on GSR obviously no but its preparing my set-up for what i want to do.....its all prep

Jesus Christ on the looks cool, dude **** the **** off. all i was saying is the one box looks better then the other.

**** man go kick rocks...
you come asking for advice, we give it.. you come back with attitude...

do you realize people have made 800+ on stock ignition.. its proven to work. you do not need a box,an external blaster coil is proven to help too. box is just asking for problems. the CPR is a much better option. but hey what do we know.....
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Old May 4, 2012 | 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by SwappedTURBOegg
you come asking for advice, we give it.. you come back with attitude...

do you realize people have made 800+ on stock ignition.. its proven to work. you do not need a box,an external blaster coil is proven to help too. box is just asking for problems. the CPR is a much better option. but hey what do we know.....
Yeah, yeah yeah.. we know, we know. gap the plugs to an ungodly level every 2 months, make a couple of passes, and do it again. He followed sound advice. 800hp on a dyno doesn't mean anything if it isn't repeatable reliably on a circuit or course. Not everyone is into a drag racing setup that wants to continually lower the gap on plugs, then change them every three months, run a hot ICM, and hope to god the ignitor isn't going to fail later to just "switch dizzys". We get it. He's got it, he's been advised.. This isn't Xceedspeed with some monkey ebay turbo kit on a d15b7. My goodness.

There's nothing wrong with a few more megajoules of spark energy for a system that won't have to be touched for years. 800hp doesn't mean diddly if one has to go through all that mess every 3 months, and can't afford an M&W 10.

This has gone on long enough.
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Old May 4, 2012 | 08:19 PM
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Stock ignition just doesn't work for everybody. Sure there may be people out there that have made 800 HP with stock ignition, and the same concept when it comes to stock sleeves. Some people just get different results.
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Old May 4, 2012 | 09:29 PM
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I have a s300 hondata and running a msd digital 6 box with the blaster 2 coil. I want to do a coil on plug setup in the future when it is needed. But for now, this will work. Oh i also like the 2 step on the MSD better than the Hondata because it pops instead of that brum brum brum sound haha. But thats not why I got it...
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Old May 4, 2012 | 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by DC4KiD
Stock ignition just doesn't work for everybody. Sure there may be people out there that have made 800 HP with stock ignition, and the same concept when it comes to stock sleeves. Some people just get different results.
I agree
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Old May 4, 2012 | 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by TheShodan
This isn't Xceedspeed with some monkey ebay turbo kit on a d15b7. My goodness.
rofl thats a sig quote if ive ever seen one.



Will be ordering parts hopefully 2marro(Monday worst case), i think ill be happy with it. Thanks for the help.
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