Real street tire as in a radial that will last 2-3 times longer than a drag radial.

Ok we all know the b16 is gutless now assuming you have a 300whp b16, compared to a 300whp 1.8 of any variant (gsr, LS/vtec etc) with a sensible combination, such as a gt28rs/gt2871r that comes on smooth and flat.. no on and off light switch powerband like you get with a larger turbo, GSR transmission on both setups. now which would be quicker from 0-100?

Would the bigger motors be so traction limited at this power level so much that the b16 would out accelerate?

 

300whp generally isn't a traction problem.

here's a vid of a stock itr with 8lbs out of a 50 trim, made 280whp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mxm2l...layer_embedded

something like a kumho xs should work pretty well.

 

ok well I take it the 1.8 motors would still beat the b16.

 

with more torque, yes, but a good final drive could make up for that. What's the real question you want to get down to instead of this 0-100 monkey business?

 

Ok well here is the deal..I havent owned a Honda in years, I currently own a 1jz s14 and even though it is the less torqey of the JZ motors. it still pulls extremly hard. Or I should say it did... I toasted a few pistons and currently in the rebuild process. Just to give you an idea of what I expect from my cars, its response,traction, brutal acceleration at will and a very linear powerband, I have went from a twin scroll 60-1 to a BW 88-75, I even bought a spool valve but ended up selling it before using it, because I decided to do a different combo.. Custom ITB, twin gt2560r's, high compression, worked head, close ratio 6 speed trannny etc..





my old combo was potent enough to walk away from single 2jz's, vipers, blown stangs 2jz powered 240's like mine etc etc from low speeds up to wherever I felt like stopping. when I step on the gas there is no traction drama, there is no wait for boost BS, the car goes the second I press the pedal. the car stays dead straight and GO's. having a responsive car with manners has allowed me to beat pople whith quite a bit more hp and tq than me. Im not a fan of fast cars, I love QUICK cars.

Now with that said...

I want to turn the 240 into a weekend only car, and use a civic as a DD. I find it quite difficult to have a weak dd. Im looking to get like a 95 coupe. considering my commute and that fact that this is going to be a DD I need to run tire that last more than an oil change interval. I want to have a very quick accelerating car, from any speed I mash the gas and the car leaves without issue or question. I dont want to down shift just to overtake or make a quick lane change. I understand the 1.8s have a noticeable TQ advantage over the b16 which is great because I really would like my car to actually pull when boost comes in, but just from random videos it just seems like they roast through tires, and if they do it would seem a b16 is better suited for the task.

I hope I have given you a good idea of what I want. I am looking for a responsive, well behaved quick car. if a GSR or LS/vtec is unable to hang with a b16 in the first 3 gears because of the TQ they produce, then I need to know.

 

For all that you're looking for you still have to remember that the displacement of either of these Honda engines is significantly less than your 2JZ, which means less torque..no matter what you do.

But to get the better combinations, you want a good static compression (over 9.5:1), a responsive turbocharger that still is able to not be outdone by the efficient VTEC B-series head, and at the same time be willing to understand that acceleration is based upon turbocharger combbination.

You wont have 2jz responsiveness with EITHER engine, but you can come close with a good combination of parts.

 

I know the response wont be like a bigger motor, I also know the F's and K's are better than the B's but I have decided I do want a mid 90's civic with a B series, I am only trying to find out the best combo for me. it doesnt have to pull as hard as my JZ

Just from the videos I have seen I get the feeling most other combos wont be as quick as a b16 with a GSR trans and a gt28rs (On street tires) I know full well that a b18c LS/b20/Vtec makes more Tq AND makes it much earlier than a b16, but they just dont seem as quick unless they are running a drag tire. that just my observation, I either want confirmation or to be corrected.

 

All about the driver!!!

 

A B-series will do just great. only the F20C and F22C can compete in terms of airflow and efficiency, the other F series aren't really in the equation.

A lot of what you're inferring is more on driver ability and not tire type. the B18/LS/B20 VTEC and the b16 can be equally "quick", provided that the correct equipment is used. Its a matter of experience with the right setup to determine who is "quicker", but your generalization doesn't hold much water. accleration is hard to "display" on a graph or chart, unless it was extrapolated from a logging file in which it records the RPM/MPH rate that is calculated.

That's the only evidence that any would be able to show provided everything on each turbocharged car is equal. Unfortunately, you won't find that on this forum, nor are people going to put forth a good faith effort to attempt to display it, just to satisfy what seems to be only a trivial curiosity, and no real reason for the question.

As stated, it more driver related for a street car than just tire.

 

talking about power when you mash the gas sounds like you should be looking at a supercharger setup...

i am running the 225 50 15 Toyo RA1 tire and I dead hooked 435whp in 3rd gear and on... see my sig...

The Toyo RA1 is a 100 treadwear tire but it has a 8/32 tread depth so in theory it should last much longer... I drive with these on two and from work just fine... They hook 435 with 30psi in the tires...

hope i helped...

 

^^ what motor do you have?^^ I'm looking into either the gt28rs or a gt2556r. small responsive dual BB I think the 2556r woud make quite a bit less power but spool should be faster as well as the powercurve should be very predictable... kinda like a NA motor..I think..

 

you also don't want the turbo to be out of its efficiency range and not be able to sustain torque. Making it is one thing.... keeping it throughout the powerband is why you don't want to sue something as small as a GT2556R on a VTEC engine.

 

well, the engine debate, unless you build or buy one is based on the car you get isn't it? an integra gsr would have your b18c and the civic potentially a b16.

that is unless..

you find a blown up one on the cheap and just do a jdm swap. price wise the gsr version of the b18c runs around $1800 shipped and the type R version about $2500 shipped. if you could find a civic cheap enough either one of those will bolt directly into a 99-00 civic si. it doesn't take a lot of work to fit them in other models either.

 

i had 330whp b16 with log manifold and 60 trim, on street tires i ran 12.3's all day, while b18's with same or more power were running high 12's spinning halfway down the track


the transmission/gearing/tires will have more to do with traction than displacement imo... not to mention the driver mod playing the most important role

 

what chassis?

 

always has the answers

 

95 ls full interior true street car

 

Useless post is useless

 

b16 trans?

 

bingo!
suspension and driver are more important then power level.

 

gsr trans