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Old Dec 13, 2010 | 09:16 PM
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Car: 97 Civic EX
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I want to keep the power steering in my car and i'm having trouble finding the line I need. I'm trying to run a B pump in my car and can't find the hard line out of a 99-00 SI for the right price. Majestic Honda has them new for $90 and there was a used one on ebay for $80 shipped, this is more than I want to spend.

Can I cut the metal part of the D line and use a compression fitting and attach it to the B line? Would this hold the pressure and last? Should I attempt this myself or should I take it to someone who does hydraulic lines? Any input would be appreciated, thanks.
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Old Dec 14, 2010 | 09:32 AM
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Simply reuse the original Civic pump and line and get a P/S pump bracket from a '98 - '01 Integra LS/RS/GS/SE
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Old Dec 14, 2010 | 10:04 AM
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98-01 Intagras use a D series pump?
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Old Dec 14, 2010 | 10:18 AM
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98-01 Intagras use a D series pump?
'94 - '97 Did too, but there are two different styles of pumps. '92 - '95 Civics and '94 - '97 Integras used to same pump. '96 - '00 Civics and '98 - '01 Integras used the same pump.
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Old Dec 14, 2010 | 11:54 AM
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are you 100 percent on that :O? not disagreeing just saying.Its good info to know
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Old Dec 14, 2010 | 12:38 PM
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Ok, the D pump I have is from a 97 Civic, and the mounts are way closer together than the B bracket. It will bolt up but it has no adjustability. I also have B pumps from a 94 Integra and a 96 Integra and i'm pretty sure they're the same. Also the fitting that bolts to the top of the pump on the D series pump is smaller in diameter in the B series pumps. So basically what are my options? How much pressure does that line actually hold?
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Old Dec 14, 2010 | 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by cjw_89
are you 100 percent on that :O? not disagreeing just saying.Its good info to know
I can absolutely 100% guarentee you that '94 - '97 Integra and '92 - '95 Civic pumps are the same. I'm currently running a '94 Integra rack, lines, resoirvoir etc, with a D-series pump I had the B-series pump as well, both are the same. I just used the D-series one because it was super clean (came from a low mileage JDM D15B Vtec swap) I haven't personally tried the other but i'm not the first person to state that it works.

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Ok, the D pump I have is from a 97 Civic, and the mounts are way closer together than the B bracket. It will bolt up but it has no adjustability. I also have B pumps from a 94 Integra and a 96 Integra and i'm pretty sure they're the same. Also the fitting that bolts to the top of the pump on the D series pump is smaller in diameter in the B series pumps. So basically what are my options? How much pressure does that line actually hold?
What year is the P/S pump bracket on the engine from? Early style pumps have a bracket with 2 slots for the pump bolts, late model versions have 1 hole and one curved slot for the bottom bolt, you can't mix and match new and old pumps and brackets.
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Old Dec 14, 2010 | 05:15 PM
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Default Re: Alternative to 99-00 power steering line in EJ8?

search option helps alot.

https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-civic-del-sol-1992-2000-1/faq-retaining-power-steering-ek-b-series-swap-1822781/

b16 pump, ls top and bottom mount...
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I don't know about the LS, but I have a '98 Civic EX coupe with a '00 B18C1. It was always important to me that I keep all my options.

FOR POWER STEERING
- B16 power steering pump ($40)
- Original power steering hoses/lines ("free")

FOR AIR CONDITIONING
- D-series a/c compressor (I needed a new one because my stock one was bad - $25)
- '94 del Sol VTEC a/c bracket (only for one year del Sol VTEC btw!) (lists for $160 NEW - 38930-P54-000)

Only pic of the bay I have readily available.



EDIT: Found another one from another angle even though the car wasn't all together.

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Old Dec 14, 2010 | 08:44 PM
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What year is the P/S pump bracket on the engine from? Early style pumps have a bracket with 2 slots for the pump bolts, late model versions have 1 hole and one curved slot for the bottom bolt, you can't mix and match new and old pumps and brackets.
The bracket is from a 96 LS, I thin it has the 2 slots. I'll have to check next time I get down to my shop.


Originally Posted by hmoobhero
search option helps alot.

https://honda-tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1822781

b16 pump, ls top and bottom mount...
I know the difference in the lines. My question wasn't about the differences of the two, it was to see if I can basically make my own.
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Car: 97 Civic EX
Engine: LS

I want to keep the power steering in my car and i'm having trouble finding the line I need. I'm trying to run a B pump in my car and can't find the hard line out of a 99-00 SI for the right price. Majestic Honda has them new for $90 and there was a used one on ebay for $80 shipped, this is more than I want to spend.

Can I cut the metal part of the D line and use a compression fitting and attach it to the B line? Would this hold the pressure and last? Should I attempt this myself or should I take it to someone who does hydraulic lines? Any input would be appreciated, thanks.
You shouldn't need other lines. Your stock lines, unless damaged, should work.

My B16 pump cost me $40.
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The bracket is from a 96 LS, I thin it has the 2 slots. I'll have to check next time I get down to my shop.

I know the difference in the lines. My question wasn't about the differences of the two, it was to see if I can basically make my own.
I don't get why you need to make your own.
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Old Dec 14, 2010 | 08:57 PM
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Default Re: Alternative to 99-00 power steering line in EJ8?

If you're using an Integra pump, it won't work. You need a 99-00 EM1 (Civic Si) pump to make this work. The 99-00 Si pump uses the same hose fitting as the 96-00 d-series civic pump.
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Old Dec 14, 2010 | 09:01 PM
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Default Re: Alternative to 99-00 power steering line in EJ8?

Originally Posted by NOFX
You shouldn't need other lines. Your stock lines, unless damaged, should work.


My B16 pump cost me $40.

I don't get why you need to make your own.

I was trying to run the LS pump and I was just trying to figure out a way to work with what I have. I was not aware that the 99-00 SI pump uses the same fitting as the D series.
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Old Dec 14, 2010 | 09:12 PM
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Yep. Working just fine in my car.

I can post a cell phone pic of it on my car, which might be a little bit better than the photos I already posted.
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Old Dec 14, 2010 | 09:20 PM
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No thanks, not necessary. I'll start my hunt for a B16 pump now. Thank you all.
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Old Dec 14, 2010 | 09:25 PM
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You can use a integra pump, from any obd2b integra, or a em1 pump w/ your stock line. You will need b-series upper and lower brackets.
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Old Dec 14, 2010 | 10:06 PM
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Brackets came on my engine. I didn't think any '94-'01 Integras came with manual steering in the US anyway. I don't know why anyone would remove the brackets for sale of the engine.

Plus, according to the thread already linked, the lines on the "OBD2 D-series/EM1" are different from the "OBD1 D-series/OBD1/OBD2 Integra" lines.

https://honda-tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1822781
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