hello fellow h-t..wanted to get more input so i posted in allmotor and Forced Induction my appoliges for double post, but sleeved motors are used in both sub-forums alike...

footnote..i am an ASE tech and worked on Hondas for 5+ years, i know how to assemble motors etc...long story short, not going to air out my opinion on this shop just yet, going to let him make right on this....


sleeved golden eagle b18b1 block, threads pulled, brought to local honda shop who has timesert kit...fast forward three months. asselby of motor was performed, 30 mins away from start up...had alternator and fuel lines to connect, was pooring in water in radiator.. to only find it pissing out block.. futher diag, found crack near center intake head bolt hole.. cracked block externaly and internaly into oil.. had wtaer in oil....crack is 4 inches from top of block...

questions....
-should shop pay for new block assembly...?
-can sleeves be re used in a new block?


will have pics up soon. im going to bring motor assembled to shop tonight after i get out of work.. gota saab tb job in bay...ugh.. lol thanks for input in advance...

update* just got back from shop. i told them basically u have liability insurance to take care of these issues....

i have a lawyer who will take care of this for me if need be, but i rather have the shop man up and deal with it.. **** happens and i understand this.. but there saying i cracked the block from installing my head on it.. umm no.. pics will be up in a couple mins..


easyer to see i sprayed block with brake clean, and when i blew it out it stayed in the crack..


this is the worst one... it dribbles out like it has a 1/8th in hole in it..



AND this onein right under the coolant pipe/theromsat housing< which had me chassing a leaking o ring at first...

 

Can't see installing timeserts being very stressful on the motor. It's simply drilling out the hole, retapping and installing the insert. Myself, I wouldn't blame the shop who installed the timeserts. I would consider torquing the headstuds to be more stressful on the block than installing timeserts.

What's the history of the block?
1) Where did the block come from?
2) Was the block run after the sleeves installed?
3) How many holes did the threads pull out from?
4) When did the threads pull out? Assembling the motor or a head gasket leak and threads were found pulled out, etc.

 

block was in running condition wen it came out of car... only disasembled to re blueprint motor and see all parts, when i did, noticed four headstuds treads were striped, so i brought to this shop to have it serted, then i re assembled and now i have a crack.. there was no shipping of the block< i drove block to him and then i picked up, WHAT IF THREADS WERE NOT CLEANED OUT BEFORE HE PUT THE SERT IN......???????? when i picked up motor i still had to clean the holes, they did have shaving in them...

 

The mark I have circled in red is it a hairline crack or casting flaw?



I'm not sure what the shop putting the serts in would have done to cause that. I can tell you that it shouldn't happen just from drilling and tapping a hole. Looks more like someone dropped it, where are the cracks located in conjunction with the actual work that was done.

Only other thing I can think of is if the holes were full of oil/lube and someone put the bolts back in and caused a blow out.

 

Could too large of a step in the deck cause that? When the studs are torqued down it is pressing down on the sleeves too much and causing the rest of block to be pulled up?

 

casting flaw...if the hole was not properly cleaned prior to sending sert down it would case same thing as hydrolocking it....update...leagle action will be necceary

 

Can you prove that you didn't cause it while assembling the motor? Can you prove that the shop caused it and it wasn't like that when you took it to them? Why were the studs stripped in the first place?

If you can't prove any of this then it will never hold up in a court of law.

 

I agree your wasting your money there is no way to prove they did it. Im also not trying to be a *** but i see no way installing time serts did this. With as much experience as you have look at the block it shouldnt be hard to figure out what cause it . Can you take more pictures of the whole bloke. I dont see were dropping it caused it either. Also if the block was in running condition how did you strip threads be tearing the motor apart? Time serts are installed by hand so are you suggesting that some one hyro locked a timesert and kept turning (by hand ) till they cracked the block . If there was that much pressure they would stop and figure out what was wrong not keep turning im sure. Is the block o ringed ? If you realy want our input we need more information but it seems like you are pretty set on shop error and i dont see any way they could have did it so you might not want our advice lol.

 

^^ hmmm. well put

 

little update, block will be droped off a un bais machince shop, and a proper failure analysis will be done, pending results with machine shop, i will follow proper leagle action.. trying to find local ls motor so i can drive car.......will keep all informed..

proper steps on my part will hold up in court, the customer is always better off from the start. in these cases. ive handeled myself quite well, im sure after lawyer fees, a vistit from OSHA, he will he would have at lease refund for labor and parts done to block... all i want is him to pay shipping and machine work to send new shell to GE to get re done..

 

I witnessed a dozen or so Timeserts installed, including having to install a "big sert" in one of my blocks. No-way will that crack a block. as in your pictures. I really hope your state has a "frivolous law suit" statute so you will have to pay the shops attorney bills.
Calling OSHA, you really are a "punkracer".

 

do you even have a pic of that area of the block before you took it to the shop? doubt it. Let it go man you wont win. Can you prove that when you were delivering the block to your house you didn't damage it? if so how? There are way too many questions that you nor your lawyer will have the answers to........and if you think you have a good lawyer the shop will probably have a better lawyer.

 

as fare as the pic showing no crack, no need.. the crack is the same distance down the block as the head bolt holes are deep case closed....judges are not mechanics nor are lawyers, so no one pic.. ill be submitting more than a pic for evidence.

we will see. i have a lair in my pocket.. so that's not an expense to me.. he will help with paperwork.. im just being spiteful at the moment. my block would have been cheaper to replace then paying the fines they will receive and the lien i put on there property. the fines alone would make me feel like the got what they deserved i've always been on the other end of the suing and it feels good to be on this end..

spite it is a dangerous drug.........

 

I find it just a wee bit of a coincidence that those 4 bolts holes are completely stripped out of the block and it didn't cause any issues with the block. Then at the same time you just so happened to be taking the block apart for shytes and giggles.

Suing for spite. Only in the US.

 

haha wouldn't it be funny if the mechanic shop printed off this post and used it against you in court? lol that would be awesome

 

what is "leagle action"

hehe couldn't resist....hopefully he doesnt take "leagle action" against me for pissin him off.
Also this will only go to small claims since its under 5k....and the lawyer will just take your money and run and it will cost you more then the block is worth

 

you cant even spell legal

you need to spend your money on Hooked on Phonics

LOL your either...
A. Bullshittin
Or
B. Whoever passed you on your ASE Examine needs to be fired.

These questions shouldn't even come out a ASE certified techs mouth.
If you've been in the business you wouldn't be asking that

which completely voids any right you had to blaming the machine shops work

if a laywer even trys to pick up that case he cant be too bright eather

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another x2

 

we should have a vote on who thinks he will win or lose. Do you think this will be on judge joe brown or judge judy? O, I wanna watch. no this is definetely gonna be on street court. Does this mean if I take all of your advise on a motor and something goes wrong that I can sue all of you.....cuz I'l do it, Il own your houses, your cars, and your women.

*This message was brought to you by the offices of Brown and Coupon......I mean Crouppen leagel....damn it I mean beagle....no buick regal....i mean legal services*

 

lmao the simple fact is by some chance in hell this is the machine shops fault ( which im sure its not) your still not going to win that i will bet money on.

 

So, did you win?

 

in small claims court process as we speak..

 

Im sure the judge has no idea what the hell a timesert is so you have that on your side lol.

 

Don't mean to bust your bubble but my block cracked in the exact same places while torquing the head. I too thought it was a leaking water pipe seal,swapped it and leak was still there. Didn't know how bad it was until I found I had more coolant than oil in my oil pan..

 

Im sure by now (after his bubble was busted through this whole thread ) that he knows by now it wasnt caused by the timeserts but hey you can sue anybody for anything these days .

Im sure if the machine shop has any sence at all they will have no problem pleading there case .