Ive been searching on how to bar a B16A2 in an eg8 for a few days. Ive found a lot of out dated threads, contradicting info. What i found out so far is state ref, wont allow jumper harness. You need motor to be newer then chassis. Stock usdm ecu. Any help would be appreciated. Do i need a charcoal canister from an EM1, or is the eg8 ok. Im sure some in Cail has this same set up. I also found a thread here on HT, where a member said they had carb approved bolt ons at the time of state ref inspection, and the ref just added them to the bar sticker.

 

still searching...

 

yea the motor has to be same year or newer im in the process of bar'n my 95 civic with a 97 gsr you basically have to have everything that the motor has stock all sensors plugged and yes i thinnk you can use your charcoal canaster on the swap as far as jumper harnesses IDK i just cam from the ref and he really didnt look at my ecu besides checking the code on the side and cali does not ref JDM motors anymore

 

thanks. any more info?

 

ok so what i know is that you need to revert to total stock. yes you need charcole canister yes you need a cat. you also need all OBD1 parts if the motor is OBD2. not hard to sorce out.
what you need

OBD1,
engine harness
injectors
ditributer
ecu
and possibly a starter but not totally sure on that

and you also need all smog equipment
all vacume hoses
charchole canister
cat
ect.

iv helped many friends with motor swaps
and iv asked questions and learned alot.

so as long as you have all that you should be good. and look at it this way, if you fail they tell you whats wrong and how to fix it. so its not all that bad. just ask questions

 

Yes they do, you'll need a USDM intake and exhaust manifold. All vacuum lines have to be properly connected. If JDM motors couldn't be BAR'd, HMotors and all the other California swap shops would have been out of business by now.

 

Got lots of info from EJ8 Man for when I'm done with my GSR rebuild. He got his JDM B18C5 Bar'd, took pictures to prove it. Here's what he said:

USDM ECU - yes
USDM exhaust - your stock civic exhaust is fine for BAR
USDM intake - JDM intake is good as long as it has all the vacuum line hook ups
Cat - your stock Civic cat will work as long as its OBD1 and the motor is OBD1
USDM PCV - JDM and USDM PCV are the same, just replace it
Charcoal canister - Reuse your Civic canister and your civic EVAP purge solenoid.

So what I'm doing is just getting a USDM ECU, USDM intake manifold, USDM exhaust manifold, and CAT off a 96+ GSR since the motor is OBD2. Making sure all vacuum lines are properly connected, then should be good to go for getting Bar'd.

 

no cali dont bar jdm motors at all needs to be usdm or nothing and the reason why thos shops havnt gone under is cuz people just dont care here they do it anyways and get illigal smog if they have to

 

Yes they do man. Call your local BAR ref and ask him yourself. I did and he told me exactly what EJ8 Man did. JDM motors are legal as long as the smog equipment is legal. Don't spread inaccurate information. I'll post a link to EJ8 Man's thread in a second.

 

https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-civic-del-sol-1992-2000-1/my-project-1999-ex-coupe-b18c-r-swap-2717816/



This was two months ago. Do not spread inaccurate information.

 

Suuuure you have.

 

so i can use my charcoal canister from the eg8? what about jumper harness? or the "carb" approved bolt ons? thanks for the info guys

 

Yup charcoal canister can be re-used. Conversion (jumper) harness is legal since the motor is newer than your car (I assume your B16 is OBD2, otherwise why would you need a conversion harness?). The CARB approved bolt ons should be legal, but I recommend using all USDM OEM air boxes, intake and exhaust manifolds when seeing the ref. The reason I say this is because most REFs are not into modding engines and cars and are less likely to let little things slide if they think you're car is "ricey".

 

Thanks.yea the motor is a B16A2 ODB2B. Nice i didnt want to re-pin it

 

Back from the dead.... but i'm thinking of doing the same as the OP stated.... can anyone verify if it has been done? The only part i'm worried about is the jumper to obd2 for the em1 ecu..... inputS?

 

You need obd1 Del Sol P30 ecu and you should be fine. Should cost you around $200.

 

But then it would mean I would be trying to bar it for a del sol.... I'm trying to bar it for the 99 si em1 because that's what my engine is out of..... So I guess my real question is how many people have passed Ref with a jumper harness

 

Oh and my engine is still being ran as obd2...

 

I thought you could run a conversion harness as long as it doesn't say "for off-road use only"?

 

Really? Where did you hear that? Never seen a harness that ever said "For off-road use only". Mine doesn't.

 

I went to a BAR REF in person and he told me that he doesn't give a poop about what harness you use as long as it doesn't say "for off-road use only", and that it's clean, and go's with your current set-up. I've never seen "for off-road use only" either but when he mentioned that to me it made sense, apparently he's seen them.

I've heard conflicting stories on the obd0 obd1 jumpers, if the BAR REF I'm going to says it's good and he'll accept jumper harness then I'm good to. Ultimately he told that anything can change any day with the BAR'D program.
So I'll go...get sent away with a list and come back and beat the system.

Hope all that made sense. lol.

 

By printing "offroad use only" on something, they could avoid liability from crashes as a result of something, or be able to sell something without it being emissions legal. This could be headers, headlights, fog lights, racing harnesses, etc.

I thought you had to retain OBD2 if you had an OBD2 car, because they tested the little port under the dash. Unless there was a way to run two ECUs, one to make the OBD2 test port work and use the other to actually run the motor.

And the comment about the Del Sol P30 ECU, it doesn't mean you'd be trying to BAR a Del Sol. It's just that the Del Sol VTEC came with a B16 and was OBD1, the only USDM 5th gen that did. If you're OBD1, then that would be the perfect swap ECU to use.

 

^ I'm not sure but obd0 to obd1 is good as far as I know. Not sure about obd2 to 1 or vice-versa.

 

OMGOSH! You will ref your car as a OBD2A Del Slo if your Civic is from 96-98. Obviously, if your Civic is from 99-00 then it's straight drop in as a EM1. I probably missed it but did you post what year is your car?

 

Yes you are BAR'ring it as a Del Sol. P30 came in OBD1 and 96-97 OBD2A Del Sol. Not Civics. '96-'98 civics came with B16a2 with P30 ecu? I didn't know that.