B18C: 60 Trim Garrett - E85 Dyno Tune - 422 whp 294 wtq

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Old Feb 21, 2010 | 10:22 AM
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Default B18C: 60 Trim Garrett - E85 Dyno Tune - 422 whp 294 wtq

This car belongs to Chris from Greenville. He came to us a while back for a tune on Crome Gold, but had some wiring issues on the dyno. He came back today, and we finished up the tuning. Another happy customer.

Here is the setup:
Stock B18C (JDM GSR) Block
Port and polished B16A head
ARP Studs
OEM Head Gasket
Skunk 2 Valve springs and retainers
JDM GSR cams
Skunk2 Intake Manifold
65mm Throttle body

Fullrace Ramhorn
Tial 40mm wastegate
Garrett 60 trim
2.5" Downpipe

Walbro 255 pump
Precision 1000cc injectors
Base fuel pressure at 58 psi


The green chart is wastegate pressure, fluctuating between 8.7psi and 9.1 psi. We let off at around 7,700 on this pull.
The red chart is high boost, holding at 11.8 psi.

Video is being edited, and will be posted either Monday or Tuesday!










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Old Feb 21, 2010 | 10:35 AM
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that is a very nice flat torque line nice looking setup i like it
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Old Feb 21, 2010 | 10:50 AM
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That is a nice set-up. OP, would the owner every consider switching from crome to Neptune?
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Old Feb 21, 2010 | 11:18 AM
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The same results can be had from any of the Honda tuning platforms that control both fuel and ignition. At the end, it's the tuner that makes the difference. Consider the tuning platform a delivery tool if you will, and nothing more.
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Old Feb 21, 2010 | 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Spent
The same results can be had from any of the Honda tuning platforms that control both fuel and ignition. At the end, it's the tuner that makes the difference. Consider the tuning platform a delivery tool if you will, and nothing more.
Not when it lacks tonnes of features in comparison and can't allow you to do a better job.
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Old Feb 21, 2010 | 11:25 AM
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^ Please be more specific. Otherwise your comment is baseless.

If it helps you narrow the features down, here's a list of Crome and Crome Gold (for dealers).

Crome Basic Features :

+ Colorized tables to easily distinguish values
+ Full-featured menu to easily navigate through the different application functions
+ Easy access to common application functions through graphical toolbar buttons
+ Access application functions through predefined key combinations (shortcuts)
+ Context sensitive menus makes distinguishing which functions are applicable easy
+ Live feedback from GUI items makes clear exactly what values are on the ROM
Crome Basic Features : Editing
+ Edit things intuitively the way you would normally see them on other applications (ie. table editing like in MS Excel)
+ Easily navigate through different editable regions through shortcuts or buttons on the toolbar
+ Undo History keeps track of any changes made to the ROM and lets you undo and redo changes quickly and easily
+ Use common Windows™ features and shortcuts for file management (New, Open, Save, etc.) and editing (Cut, Copy, Paste, etc.)
+ Context sensitive system lets users know which areas are not editable
+ Two modes of editing in graphical view: using keyboard shortcuts, or by simply clicking and draging the lines
+ Simplified editing of complex routines such as VTEC and RPM limiters means you don't need to know how those features work, you just enter an RPM value of you choice
+ Advanced tables editing allows for advanced users to tweak their system optimally for their needs
+ Handy tools to make life easier include: Fuel Multiplier Calculator, Boost Tables Adjustment, and Advance Tables
+ Editable Regions
+ Tables can be edited in many different ways, one cell at a time or the entire table. All common Windows™ function work including: Undo, Redo, Cut, Copy, Paste, Delete, and Select All
+ Additional table editing capabilities include: Increment Selection, Decrement Selection, Adjust Selection, Interpolate Selection, Smooth Selection, and Smooth Entire Table
+ Table headers can also be edited by simply double-clicking and entering your desired value
+ Navigate through each point on the graph by using the arrow keys on the keyboard. Make regional selections by holding the Shift key
+ Graphs can be edited by using keyboard shortcuts such as Ctrl+Up and Ctrl+Down to increase and decrease the selected point respectively or by selecting a point and clicking and dragging it to the desired value
+ Editable ROM Features - most of these features can be found on the Options panel
+ Ignition and Fuel tables for both low speed and high speed cams
+ Rpm limiter
+ Speed limiter
+ Target Idles (cold and warm)
+ Idle Air Controller Valve duty cycle adjustment
+ VTEC engagement and advanced VTEC parameters (load switches, etc.)
+ IAB engagement
+ Oxygen Sensor target values
+ Gear based fuel correction values (includes correction for neutral)
+ Enable or disable various sensors
- Knock Sensor
- Electrical Load Detector
- Barometric Pressure Sensor
- Injector Test Circuitry
- Oxygen Sensor
- Oxygen Heater
- VTEC Speed Check
- VTEC Engine Coolant Temperature Check
- VTEC Pressure Check
- VTEC Solenoid Feedback Check
- Debug Mode
+ More - more ROM features can be edited with the use of additional plugins
Through the use of plugins, the capabilities of Crome become limitless. The user can add support and edit for forced induction systems, individual throttle bodies, and nitrous systems. The following features are included with Crome by default.

Crome Basic Features : Plugins
+ Add additional features through use of plugins
+ Forced Induction Support
+ Increased table resolution
+ Use any MAP sensor
+ Individual Throttle Body Support
+ MAP+TPS (Alpha-N) table indexing for superb idling characteristics and optimal driving performance
+ Use any TPS sensor
+ Fuel Corrections
+ Overall fuel correction scales the fuel table values according to your injector setup
+ Closed loop fuel corrections allow the user the adjust how much the O2 sensor compensates during closed loop operations
+ Throttle tip-in correction lets the user modify how much additional fuel is injected upon aggressive throttle tip-in
+ Startup fuel adjustments
+ Engine coolant temperature fuel adjustments
+ Intake air temperature fuel adjustments
+ Individual cylinder trim
+ ROM Enhancements
+ Increase RPM limits up to 11,000 RPM
+ Add datalogging capabilities
+ Cold, hot and MIL Stage boost cut protection**
+ 3-Step launch control with anti-lag and tps activation**
+ Antilag for both FTL(launch) and FTS(shift, useful to keep boost up during shift)**
+** (Crome official versions available with Dealer license only)
+ Additional ROM Support - other ROMs can be supported by Crome through the use of plugins. Below is a short list of supported ROMs.
+ OBD0 PW0 (JDM & EDM)
+ OBD0 PR3
+ OBD0 PM6/7
+ OBDI P13 and related ROMs
+ OBDII P72
+ OBDII P73
+ OBDII P2P

Crome Basic Features : Real-Time Programming
+ Support for several real-time programmable devices
+ Upload ROM image to RTP device or 'Put'
+ Download ROM image from RTP device or 'Get'
+ Verify data between Crome and RTP device or 'Verify'
+ Realtime updates enable on the fly editing without the need to actively upload the ROM image
+ A host of supported RTP devices
+ Xtronics Pocket ROMulator
+ Moates.net Ostrich
+ Moates.net APU1
+ PGMFI RTP
+ Support for Moates.net BURN1 chip burner as well

Crome Basic Features : Miscellaneous
+ Access to the Crome scripting engine anytime by using the Command tool. Enter any valid expression and execute it without the need to write up a script. This is useful for testing and developing scripts.
+ Stored User Settings - Crome stores common user settings to adapt to the users needs
+ Ignition table adjustment factors
+ Fuel table adjustment factors
+ Target lambda table adjustment factors
+ Map smoothing threshold
+ Rev limiter resume offset
+ Launch limiter resume offset
+ Shift limiter resume offset
+ VTEC disengage offset
+ IAB disengage offset
+ RTP hardware type and connection settings
+ Viewed units (Speed, Temperature, Pressure, Air-Fuel Ratios)
+ Other features that are not very obvious such as switching between vacuum view and boost view when selecting 'View Graph' more than once
Crome Pro/Dealer Features : Datalogging
+ Datalog different parameters in real-time
+ Save datalogs for later use
+ Export datalogs for use with spreadsheet applications such as MS Excel
+ Replay saved datalogs
+ Map tracing lets the user track where within the table the ECU is running from
+ Single cell map tracing is pioneered by John Cui for OBD1 Honda in order to get more accurate and higher resolution lambda recordings
+ Tabulated and averaged lambda readings to be used as guidelines for optimal tuning
+ Tabulated knock sensor readings indicate what spots are causing knock
+ Customize air-fuel ratio formulas to match your Wide-Band Oxygen sensor
+ MIL/CEL indicator with a comprehensive error reporting allows for quick assessment of engine trouble codes
+ Recorded Parameters
+ Engine Speed
+ Vehicle Speed
+ Current Gear
+ Manifold Absolute Pressure
+ Boost Pressure
+ Throttle Position
+ Injector Duration in milliseconds
+ Injector Duty Cycle
+ Ignition Advance
+ Knock Retard
+ Intake Air Temperature
+ Engine Coolant Temperature
+ Oxygen Sensor Voltage
+ Air-Fuel Ratio based on user defined table
+ VTEC indicator
+ MIL/CEL indicator
+ Recording Duration in milliseconds

Crome Pro/Dealer Features : Tuning
+ Smart Tracker links cell selection with map tracing for quick cell manipulation on dynamometers
+ Highly user definable recording conditions allows the user to tune for specific conditions such as tuning for a particular gear, or tuning for particular spot on the rpm band
+ Toggle tunable table cells to exclude certain areas or to pin-point a specific spot to be tuned
+ Auto-adjustment engine automatically applies the right amount changes to the fuel table based on user defined settings
+ Data Filtering applies statistical math to the recorded air-fuel ratios and helps weed out and correct statistically erroneous values
+ Smart Fill helps fill in gaps in the recording tables by using the neighboring cells to calculate the values of empty cells
+ Live Auto-Adjustments allows the user to tune a vehicle hands-free. By setting initial tuning parameters, Crome will continually make auto-adjustments without the need for the user to actively click a button or press any key.**
+ Manual tuning helpers give users who like to manually tune the fuel tables some helpful information to let them make decision quickly
+ ** requires an Real-Time Programmable device
Through the proper use of these tuning tools, a skilled tuner can street tune a vehicle in less than an hour. Dyno-tuning is also accelerated when used in conjunction with a Real-Time Programmable device. Changes can made instantaneously and instant feedback from the dyno can make deciding what to do more obvious and less puzzling.
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Old Feb 21, 2010 | 08:54 PM
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Nice numbers, very nice looking hatch too.
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Old Feb 21, 2010 | 09:18 PM
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looks similar to my old setup. I bet those BFG's where shredded to pieces when the dyno was done.

Invest in some M/T's 225/50/15's
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Old Feb 21, 2010 | 09:52 PM
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with some ITR cams and some ID injectors he should see a nice increase accross the board! NICE torque
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Old Feb 21, 2010 | 10:11 PM
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very nice .
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Old Feb 22, 2010 | 03:27 AM
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Originally Posted by iamthefollower
Nice numbers, very nice looking hatch too.
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Old Feb 22, 2010 | 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ahobbs
looks similar to my old setup. I bet those BFG's where shredded to pieces when the dyno was done.

Invest in some M/T's 225/50/15's
The pic with the BFG was from the first time it was on the dyno and had electrical issues. I advised him to have a different set of tires for tuning and he did, so at the end, his BFG's were spared.

Guys, I will pass the compliments onto the customer. Thanks for the support. We appreciate it.
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Old Feb 22, 2010 | 07:18 PM
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+ 3-Step launch control with anti-lag and tps activation**
+ Antilag for both FTL(launch) and FTS(shift, useful to keep boost up during shift)**

Where can i get info on this
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Old Feb 23, 2010 | 03:21 AM
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It's available on the dealer version only (Crome Gold).
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Old Feb 23, 2010 | 06:53 AM
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Video Uploaded!!!
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Old Mar 6, 2010 | 05:10 PM
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nice ....
if anything i think there's a lot to be gain from a 3" DP and the next mod...
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Old Mar 6, 2010 | 08:51 PM
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nice power
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Old Mar 7, 2010 | 07:04 AM
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wow thats very nice.
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Old Mar 7, 2010 | 07:38 AM
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nice
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Old Mar 7, 2010 | 11:12 AM
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nice power!
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