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Old Nov 29, 2009 | 08:19 PM
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i just go my alignment since my car had been lowered. they told me i need to buy adjustable ball joints for my front. im a little confused if i should get the ball joint or if a camber kit is what i need. im trying to spend little cash and ive seen the ball joint are cheaper but they all have different adjustment ranges and i dont know what i need.


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Old Nov 29, 2009 | 08:39 PM
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take it to another shop since the one you went to probably just wants to bilk money out of you by selling un-needed parts...!!!
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Old Nov 29, 2009 | 09:01 PM
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take it to another shop since the one you went to probably just wants to bilk money out of you by selling un-needed parts...!!!
I don't reAlly think that in this case since they told me they don't sell parts like that for lowered cars. They problem I am have is the inside of my tires are wearing really bad from me lowering it
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Old Nov 30, 2009 | 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by michael-crxsi
I don't reAlly think that in this case since they told me they don't sell parts like that for lowered cars. They problem I am have is the inside of my tires are wearing really bad from me lowering it
Correct.

Lowering the car throws the toe off, and toe out of alignment eats tires rapidly.

The solution is to have the car aligned, and get the toe back to a reasonable setting.
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Old Nov 30, 2009 | 05:52 PM
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just updated with alignment sheet.
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Old Nov 30, 2009 | 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by michael-crxsi
just updated with alignment sheet.
Toe is perfect, so you won't have unusual tire wear.

Camber is expected for a lowered car, no worries there.

The cross caster is not good, but not unexpected for a car that old. If it doesn't pull to one side, go ahead and ignore it, as its within the correct range and not easily adjusted (unless you just happen to have adjustable length radius rods).

Why no alignment sheet for the rear?
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Old Nov 30, 2009 | 06:45 PM
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Toe is perfect, so you won't have unusual tire wear.

Camber is expected for a lowered car, no worries there.

The cross caster is not good, but not unexpected for a car that old. If it doesn't pull to one side, go ahead and ignore it, as its within the correct range and not easily adjusted (unless you just happen to have adjustable length radius rods).

Why no alignment sheet for the rear?
but isnt the camber bad for the tires?
and yes it does pull to one side a little
they didnt give me a paper for the rear so i dont know if they really did it
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Old Nov 30, 2009 | 07:06 PM
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but isnt the camber bad for the tires?
If camber was bad for tires, new cars wouldn't be sitting on the lot with it (and the vast majority are). -3* of camber is nothing worth worrying about. I ran -4* for over 2 years without issues.

Besides, we have a stickied thread dedicated to this in this forum. Look up at the top.

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and yes it does pull to one side a little
My guess would be on the cross caster issue there, but it certainly could be any number of things if it is only a slight pull. Tie rod ends in good shape? Ball joints? Suspension bushings? There are plenty of things on a 20 year old car that could cause a slight pull.

If it doesn't bother you much, ignore the pull. If it does, you'll need to trace down the cause.

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they didnt give me a paper for the rear so i dont know if they really did it
Then you will certainly want to find out if it was done. I'd call the shop and see if the tech can tell you. Its rather uncommon to see a front wheel only alignment these days, but I suppose it could have happened.
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Old Mar 28, 2010 | 02:32 AM
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maybe it's a truck thing........ but driving minitrucks, I would have to ask for a full alignment or else they would do just the front. i'd ask for the rear sheet, probably didn't do the rear.

It's alot more common than you think
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Cars and trucks with solid rear axles can't really be aligned on the rear, other than shifting the whole axle around.

I think most places will do a 4-wheel alignment on a car with IRS unless you specify front-end alignment. However that's not the best because typically the rear is adjusted first, and then the front is aligned to the rear.
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Old Mar 29, 2010 | 08:32 PM
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I don't understand why they would only align the front. If the rear toe is not in spec, then the thrust angle is off. If the thrust angle is off, your steering wheel won't be straight even with perfect front toe.

By looking at the cross-camber and cross-caster, I'm willing to bet something is slightly bent, most likely on the drivers side.

Does the car pull left?
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