what tires are best for winter driving?
yes i know its summer.LOL im prepping for winter already. 
i just bought some boring steelies so i can save my nice 17s from winter abuse, so im looking to replace at least the front 2 tires if not all 4...
2 tires that are on the rims are decent condition but dont match, so ill probably replace all 4 by winter time.
ive only heard of 2 tires best for winter... either studded tires or some Bridgestone Blizzak that ive heard good things from....
i kinda live out in the country alittle so my road seems to be the last road to be plowed and i have to be at work at 6am 5days a week so id like something good for snow/ice driving......
my old tires work all right but still not the best, but i sold them on my EG civic i had afew months ago. so looking for something for strickly winter driving now.... what would you guys recomend for strickly winter driving?
185/65/14 size tires i believe is what properly fits my 99civic ex.

i just bought some boring steelies so i can save my nice 17s from winter abuse, so im looking to replace at least the front 2 tires if not all 4...
2 tires that are on the rims are decent condition but dont match, so ill probably replace all 4 by winter time.
ive only heard of 2 tires best for winter... either studded tires or some Bridgestone Blizzak that ive heard good things from....
i kinda live out in the country alittle so my road seems to be the last road to be plowed and i have to be at work at 6am 5days a week so id like something good for snow/ice driving......
my old tires work all right but still not the best, but i sold them on my EG civic i had afew months ago. so looking for something for strickly winter driving now.... what would you guys recomend for strickly winter driving?
185/65/14 size tires i believe is what properly fits my 99civic ex.
Are studs legal in Indiana? They're legal here in Oregon and Washington.
Studs really are more about ice traction that snow traction from what I understand. Regardless, make no mistake: A winter tire is always going to be better than an all-season tire in the snow.
We had Nokian Hakkepaletas (sp?) on our Civic, and it was a champ in the snow.
Studs really are more about ice traction that snow traction from what I understand. Regardless, make no mistake: A winter tire is always going to be better than an all-season tire in the snow.
We had Nokian Hakkepaletas (sp?) on our Civic, and it was a champ in the snow.
I'm going to remove the poll, because the way you're asking the question and the replies you've put in the poll just don't make sense.
Stickied at the top of this forum is a topic called
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Here's what it says about winter tires and all-season tires:
The choice between the two types of winter tires (studless vs performance), as well as all-season tires, depends on your usage, your climate, and your personal preferences. Some people live in a moderate climate and can get by with all-seasons, some people live in a harsh winter climate but care more about ride comfort and moderate-temperature performance, and some people live in a harsh winter climate and care only about the best grip on ice and snow. That's why there are different tires for different purposes. There is no single "best tire" for everyone.
As for studded tires, studies have shown that, in most winter conditions (ice and snow), the best "studless" winter tires (that's a specific kind of winter tire), like the Bridgestone Blizzak WS-60 and REVO1 and the Michelin X-Ice, grip better than studded winter tires. Incidentally, if you're interested in reading the test done comparing studded and studless winter tires, you can do so here:
AN OVERVIEW OF STUDDED AND STUDLESS TIRE TRACTION AND SAFETY
Here are some of its conclusions:
Another test with these results is the comparison test recently done by the Tire Rack, comparing these tires against a studded tire; the studded tire didn't grip as well on ice. You can see it here.
Incidentally, the tire dealers (like the Tire Rack) don't start stocking up on winter tires until September-October, so you might want to wait until then to buy them.
Stickied at the top of this forum is a topic called
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Here's what it says about winter tires and all-season tires:
Originally Posted by Forum Rules and FAQ - READ BEFORE POSTING
<FONT SIZE="4">Tires FAQ</FONT>
Winter tires are designed for use on snow and ice, and in frigid temperatures. They grip better than all-season tires in such conditions, even when the roads are dry. On warmer days, their handling is sloppier than all-season tires. For this reason, they are recommended for winter use, not year-round use.
There are several types of winter tires:
a. Tires that have the very best traction on snow and ice, but have so-so ride and handling on days when it's not so cold. Recommended examples include the Bridgestone Blizzak REVO1 and WS-60, Dunlop Graspic DS-2, and Michelin X-Ice. (The Tire Rack calls these tires "studless ice and snow tires".)
b. Tires that have good traction on snow and ice and in cold, although not quite as good as the previous group, but they also have very good ride and handling characteristics on days when it's not so cold. Recommended examples include the Bridgestone Blizzak LM-25, Dunlop Winter Sport M3, and the Michelin Pilot Alpin PA2. (The Tire Rack calls these tires "performance winter tires".)
The choice between these two categories depends on the climate in your area, how much highway driving you do in the winter, how much you care about ultimate snow/ice grip versus ride comfort, whether you have another vehicle to use in the worst of winter, etc. Oh, and the tires in category (a) are usually significantly less expensive than category (b), which may be important. For example, if you live in an area with harsh winters and you want want the best snow/ice traction during the winter and don't mind sacrificing some ride comfort and handling for those few months a year, you may prefer category (a) tires. If you care more about ride comfort or if you live in an area with somewhat mild winters, you might be better off getting the category (b) tires.
All-season tires are the most flexible in terms of ambient temperatures, as they are designed to be used in frigid winter cold and on snow, as well as in moderate to warm temperatures. The downside of this flexibility is that their performance in most conditions is not as good as tires designed specifically for those conditions. In winter conditions, all-seasons perform better than summer tires but not as well as winter tires; in moderate to warm temperatures, they perform better than winter tires but not as well as summer tires. If you need to use the same tires all year round, in winter conditions (frigid cold, snow, ice) as in moderate to warm temperatures the rest of the year, then all-season tires are a good choice. Recommended all-season tires include the Kumho Ecsta ASX, Pirelli PZero Nero M+S, and Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Position.
One additional advantage of all-season tires is that they tend to last longer (more miles) than summer tires or winter tires. For this reason, if performance is not a priority, all-seasons may be fine for your family car or commuter car.
Some people mistakenly believe that all-season tires are needed for rain performance. This is not true; good all-around summer tires like the Goodyear F1 GS-D3 and Kumho SPT are outstanding in rain, better than all-seasons.
Winter tires are designed for use on snow and ice, and in frigid temperatures. They grip better than all-season tires in such conditions, even when the roads are dry. On warmer days, their handling is sloppier than all-season tires. For this reason, they are recommended for winter use, not year-round use.
There are several types of winter tires:
a. Tires that have the very best traction on snow and ice, but have so-so ride and handling on days when it's not so cold. Recommended examples include the Bridgestone Blizzak REVO1 and WS-60, Dunlop Graspic DS-2, and Michelin X-Ice. (The Tire Rack calls these tires "studless ice and snow tires".)
b. Tires that have good traction on snow and ice and in cold, although not quite as good as the previous group, but they also have very good ride and handling characteristics on days when it's not so cold. Recommended examples include the Bridgestone Blizzak LM-25, Dunlop Winter Sport M3, and the Michelin Pilot Alpin PA2. (The Tire Rack calls these tires "performance winter tires".)
The choice between these two categories depends on the climate in your area, how much highway driving you do in the winter, how much you care about ultimate snow/ice grip versus ride comfort, whether you have another vehicle to use in the worst of winter, etc. Oh, and the tires in category (a) are usually significantly less expensive than category (b), which may be important. For example, if you live in an area with harsh winters and you want want the best snow/ice traction during the winter and don't mind sacrificing some ride comfort and handling for those few months a year, you may prefer category (a) tires. If you care more about ride comfort or if you live in an area with somewhat mild winters, you might be better off getting the category (b) tires.
All-season tires are the most flexible in terms of ambient temperatures, as they are designed to be used in frigid winter cold and on snow, as well as in moderate to warm temperatures. The downside of this flexibility is that their performance in most conditions is not as good as tires designed specifically for those conditions. In winter conditions, all-seasons perform better than summer tires but not as well as winter tires; in moderate to warm temperatures, they perform better than winter tires but not as well as summer tires. If you need to use the same tires all year round, in winter conditions (frigid cold, snow, ice) as in moderate to warm temperatures the rest of the year, then all-season tires are a good choice. Recommended all-season tires include the Kumho Ecsta ASX, Pirelli PZero Nero M+S, and Bridgestone Potenza RE960AS Pole Position.
One additional advantage of all-season tires is that they tend to last longer (more miles) than summer tires or winter tires. For this reason, if performance is not a priority, all-seasons may be fine for your family car or commuter car.
Some people mistakenly believe that all-season tires are needed for rain performance. This is not true; good all-around summer tires like the Goodyear F1 GS-D3 and Kumho SPT are outstanding in rain, better than all-seasons.
As for studded tires, studies have shown that, in most winter conditions (ice and snow), the best "studless" winter tires (that's a specific kind of winter tire), like the Bridgestone Blizzak WS-60 and REVO1 and the Michelin X-Ice, grip better than studded winter tires. Incidentally, if you're interested in reading the test done comparing studded and studless winter tires, you can do so here:
AN OVERVIEW OF STUDDED AND STUDLESS TIRE TRACTION AND SAFETY
Here are some of its conclusions:
Originally Posted by AN OVERVIEW OF STUDDED AND STUDLESS TIRE TRACTION AND SAFETY
1. Studded tires produce their best traction on snow or ice near the freezing mark and lose proportionately more of their tractive ability at lower temperatures than do studless or all-season tires.
2. The traction of studded tires is slightly superior to studless tires only under an ever-narrowing set of circumstances. With less aggressive (lightweight) studs being mandated, and with the advent of the new “studless” tire, such as the Blizzak, since the early 1990s, the traction benefit for studded tires is primarily evident on clear ice near the freezing mark, a condition whose occurrence is limited. For the majority of test results reviewed for snow, and for ice at lower temperatures, studded tires performed as well as or worse than the Blizzak tire. For those conditions in which studded tires provided better traction than studless tires, the increment usually was small.
3. The precise environmental conditions under which studded tires provide a traction benefit are relatively rare. The maximum frictional gain (in comparison to nonstudded (not studless) tires) is found for new studded tires on smooth ice, where they have been shown to provide up to 100 percent gain in certain tests. However, the relative frictional gain of studded tires diminishes or becomes negative on roughened ice, as the temperature drops, as the studs wear, or if the comparison is made with studless tires.
2. The traction of studded tires is slightly superior to studless tires only under an ever-narrowing set of circumstances. With less aggressive (lightweight) studs being mandated, and with the advent of the new “studless” tire, such as the Blizzak, since the early 1990s, the traction benefit for studded tires is primarily evident on clear ice near the freezing mark, a condition whose occurrence is limited. For the majority of test results reviewed for snow, and for ice at lower temperatures, studded tires performed as well as or worse than the Blizzak tire. For those conditions in which studded tires provided better traction than studless tires, the increment usually was small.
3. The precise environmental conditions under which studded tires provide a traction benefit are relatively rare. The maximum frictional gain (in comparison to nonstudded (not studless) tires) is found for new studded tires on smooth ice, where they have been shown to provide up to 100 percent gain in certain tests. However, the relative frictional gain of studded tires diminishes or becomes negative on roughened ice, as the temperature drops, as the studs wear, or if the comparison is made with studless tires.
Incidentally, the tire dealers (like the Tire Rack) don't start stocking up on winter tires until September-October, so you might want to wait until then to buy them.
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