My R4S were overheated during the expo and its edges are crunching right now. Slow braking will make an intolerable squeek sound. Time to change my pads but this time I need more consideration.

I will be seeing at least 4 more track days this year and around the same number of autocross. And most of the street driving are done in a metro city with lots of bumper to bumper traffic.

So...to prevent the samething from happening. I want to have dedicted pads for street and circuit. The thing is, a set of front R4S/R4 for just the front will cost me $300, while a set of all 4 corner of Endless CC-X pads will cost me $400.
http://www.ipsracing.com/brakes/pads/endless_ccx.html
Will the Endless stand up to my demands?

Also, since I'll be doing the brake job, I will also swap out the scratched rotors with Brembo Blanks...(no autozone around town) and I do not know much about Braided brake lines. Did a search for brake lines and no results. Is Goodrich the only brand that ITR owner should use?

My brake setup will be as follow:

Endless/Porterfield combo + Brembo Blank + (insert brand) braided brake lines + Motul RBF 600

Any comment/suggestions?

 

Keep your stock lines. You can use the money that you save on an extra set of front pads. If you're getting a setup that you will use ONLY at the track, here's what I'd suggest...

Pads=Carbotech XP (front), Carbotech Panther + (rear) = $215

Fluid = ATE Superblue/Supergold = $9.95 per 1L can

Rotors = http://www.autozone.com = $24.95 each

Just my opinion, and I'm sure you'll see others as well...

 

I'm confused.

Are you saying that you are going to swap pads before and after your events? (In that case, you can use a track-only pad, that would squeal and need to warm up to be effective.) Or, are you saying that you want to use the same pads for the street and the track?

There's a lot of discussion about these pads in the previous thread at https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=223462 (Did you do a search? ) As I noted there, I've had good success with the CC-X and particularly the RM Racing pads.

I don't think Porterfield R4S stands up to track events very well. I had a set on my GS-R where the metal backing plate softened and folded around the piston. Not pretty.



[Modified by nsxtcjr, 9:16 AM 7/12/2002]

 

I have the CC-X pads on my 98 ITR, and I use them for both the street and regular SCCA Auto-X events. These pads have never dissappointed me. I am going to fluch my brake fluid soon too and was wondering if anyone has ever used the NEO fluid? If I don't hear anything good, I will probably just use the Super Blue fluid.

 

if your r4s doesnt work, try r4's you spoiled bastard . Theres been so many threads about the differences.

 

I don't think you need any "track pads" for the rear from what I read.
Endless CCX would be a good choice as my friends who are using it are very satisfied.

 

You don't "need" to replace the OEM rears. The benefit of doing so is that the rear will be much more stable and the car will hold better balance under heavy braking...

 

I do not know much about Braided brake lines.

SS lines are worth their weight in gold.

better modulation and feel

once used, you'll never go back.

 

I agree. they are a must if you ever track your car. BTW, I got all four corners of CC-x for 300 here in tokyo. they were on sale

 

Damn, I guess I need to find something else to do with my time then

 

Some people say the same about 4+ pot calipers

 

Thanks guys for the input.

But is there any choices of braided brake lines that I can choose from?

Since the CC-X comes in as a set, I wonder if it will effect the behavior of the car when brake. (late braking while turning in...etc).


PS> I ain't no spoiled batard, I got a job now Mr. Nuts.


[Modified by nEoMuGen, 12:02 PM 7/12/2002]


[Modified by nEoMuGen, 12:09 PM 7/12/2002]

 

Also, some pads aren't compatable with others. For example, I run CCX's on the street and P+'s at the track. But I have to swap out rotors too because the CCX compond is not compatable with the P+'s. I've got 3 sets of rotors all labled with different pads (Stock, P+, CCS).

 

Will the brembo blank work with CCX? Since I have to order online anyway, so I choose brembo over Autozone...

Anyhow, I guess the CCX will be on and the OEM pads will be back on during the winter.

 

did you ever try to use the P+ in AutoX? I wonder how they perfrom since they need to warm up.

How do I know if the pad I'm using is not compatable with other? can you please tell me more info on this subject ?
THANKS

 

Yeah, any pad will work with any rotor. The problem is the compond. If you run p+'s on a rotor, you can run CCX's on the same rotor with out first having them cut. As for what is compatable with stock, I'm not sure cause they basicly suck so I don't run them cept on the rear (which does not matter much either).

 

Sorry I don't care for dodging cones I never used anything other then stock for AutoX (Did it once, like real corners with rumble strips 10x better )

Best bet is to talk to the manufacture of the pad. I spoke with Andy @ carbotech and he is the one that told me about the compound of the CCX's not being compatable with the P+'s. I usualy try to run new rotors with different pads any ways, and at 24 bux a piece its not a big investment to do so.


[Modified by AssPenny, 12:14 PM 7/12/2002]

 

Andie is no longer with Carbotech. He has formed a new company, Cobalt Friction, selling various brake pads and brake systems. He's still very knowledgeable, of course, and he's giving great discounts to h-t.com members, too. You can reach him at 877.562.9237.



[Modified by nsxtcjr, 11:33 AM 7/12/2002]

 

How do you figure a set of R4s/R4 will cost 300 for just the front....I got mine for 119....

 

where did you order them from? I got the R4s cheap as well through a GB but I can't find good deals for them anymore.

From porterfield site, one set of front R4s will be $120, R4 front set will be $190.
So they will run about $300+ shipped.

 

don't you just need to change the FRONT brake pad? I think your rear pad/rotor is still in good conditions!!

 

My rears are already R4s, and they are good for a long time to come.

The thing is...I don't want to sacrifice another R4S on the track, so I need good brake pads for both street AND track. So if Endless CC-X can handle both street and track fairly well. I don't have to buy both pads.

 

I'm running NA-R fronts and CC-X rears currently for all-around duty.

At autox this seems to work pretty well, after my first run anyway...

I dunno how this will fare on the road course, although I've heard nothing but favorable comments. This setup was suggested by the guys at a&j...

I may try this on a road course as well, and possibly just change to CC-X in the fronts too if this isn't enough...

 

I will be running Project Mu Titan Kai front and Endless NA-D rear.
The Titan Kai is 0-800degree C and I heard nothing but good about it!!
The NA-D is a specific brake pad that Endless develop for rear brake. I will see how it compare to the NA-Y that I have now!!

 

I appologize...In the original post It seems like your sayin 300 for the front.....my bad, I'm tired....no thats about right for all of them....