what are the pros and cons, H22 and B18C1...... i didnt consider the H22, anyone have an h22 in their dc2?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by g0tgot &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what are the pros and cons, H22 and B18C1...... i didnt consider the H22, anyone have an h22 in their dc2?</TD></TR></TABLE>

an h22 in an integra?!?!?!?!? NEVER!!!!!!!


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Check out the hybrid forum, it's pertty common.

 

if the cars already got a gsr, theres no reason to switch

 

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I strongly disagree with that. I have had both and will never go back to the B series.

 

It all depends what kind of goals are you looking to reach, what are you going to be doing with the car ANND last but most important... BUDGET whats it at?

 

Both!

H2B.

 

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I strongly disagree with that. I have had both and will never go back to the B series.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Ive been considering an H2B myself but Im just saying that with the money for an H22 swap he might as well boost the gsr which will be faster than the H22 integra.

Im actually curious as to your setup. I really just want a bolt-on application because its my daily driver so Ive been thinking of an H2B with an LSD b16 tranny and i/h/e. How hard is the h2b swap? I really want to break 13s at least but Im not sure if thats going to be possible as Ive never driven or ridden in a car with an H22.

 

I just sold my H22 swapped 94 Teg. I absolutely loved it. I didn't do H2B but if my budget had allowed it I would have. It was torquey as hell. Tons of fun to drive. Had to watch my ground clearance of course. (tranny was the lowest part of my car). I had the M2B4 JDM LSD tranny and it worked great.

I am tryin out B series for the first time cause I wanna boost. I need to find out which is better for me. Gonna do a boosted LS Vtec most likely.

Anyway - long story short, if you got the money and wanna try somethin new go for it.

 

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Ive been considering an H2B myself but Im just saying that with the money for an H22 swap he might as well boost the gsr which will be faster than the H22 integra.

Im actually curious as to your setup. I really just want a bolt-on application because its my daily driver so Ive been thinking of an H2B with an LSD b16 tranny and i/h/e. How hard is the h2b swap? I really want to break 13s at least but Im not sure if thats going to be possible as Ive never driven or ridden in a car with an H22.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Think about it, can you build a reliable turbo GSR for $2000? Because if you already have a B trans, that's all the money you'll need to do a basic H2B.

The H2B swap is not that hard at all really. I'm almost done it in my 4th gen civic, and that is one tiny car. It is much easier in the 94+ integras. If you want a reliable N/A engine, there is no replacement for displacement. A stock healthy engine will dyno in the 180hp range with more torque than a GSR.

Plus, a month or so ago I saw a dyno of an N/A 2.4 H22 build that made 275ish horsepower and 200 ft.lb and it ran on 91 octance, so i'm pretty much convinced.

BTW, if anyone tries to tell you that an H22 weighs 100 lbs more than a B, punch them in the face hole, because a full H22 swap (including trans) weighs roughly 30-40 pounds more than a full B16 swap. Swap your battery in the trunk and the car will hardly notice a bigger engine up front.

 

the only problem i had with my h22a was the tranny was for some reason lower. I cracked my m2b4 twice, and had to jb weld that crap.

people who say h22s are crap, dnt know wat the hell they are talking about. I have had both motors. and i will tell you this. Its a honda... so enough said. o and vtec on a h22a is better then the b18c1 motor. I have no idea why. It just felt stronger in my opinion. And yea im running the same ecu. JUN p28....

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im sorry, but i just wanted to keep to the topic...what are some of the pro's and cons of H22 Vs B18C....i know about the search bar, but i dont see any experienced users that have had BOTH , posting their pros and cons besides NAmodified and gibsanez and Honda_Fanatic
.......................................thanks for being on topic guys and thanks for the info....

 

For me,i prefer the C1.Its bolt-on in the integra and less expensive(little bit)

 

I would say that the B-series has more aftermarket support than the H. The B makes more revs in stock form and the H makes more torque. From what I gather the B tranny is tougher than the H's. It's also a bit easier to swap in a B. I guess it's all about what you want. That said, IMO, H swaps are cool.

 

Obviously the B series would be an easier swap. It depends what you want really. Ive seen some setups with an h2b running as fast as those with k20 swaps. If you want to stay slightly modded you could go with the h2b which should be much faster than a gsr.

Basically if you want n/a than go with the h22, but if you want boost you might wanna consider the gsr though both on stock internals are capable of similar numbers.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mcvtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I would say that the B-series has more aftermarket support than the H. The B makes more revs in stock form and the H makes more torque. From what I gather the B tranny is tougher than the H's. It's also a bit easier to swap in a B. I guess it's all about what you want. That said, IMO, H swaps are cool.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The H has almost as much aftermarket support as the B. Cams, headers, manifolds, pistons, you name it.

The fact that the B rev's higher shouldn't be a factor in what engine you buy.

The transmissions are both as tough, but some people prefer the rod shifted B tranny over the cable H. Some people also claim that the H transmission doesn't work well under high RPM shifts, but I've never seen proof of it.


I say go H no matter what. You could technically have more transmission options as well (re-geared H trans, swapped FD, and THEN H2B)

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The full H swap will cost on avg. $1000 less (give or take) than a GSR swap. Bigger engine, more horsepower out of the box. $1000 should be enough to buy H mounts if you decided to stay straight H2H right?

If you have a B trans already, buy an H long-block, plus the adapter plate kit, and she'll bolt right in. There will be some clearance issues, but nothing major. Doing that will still net you in the same price range as buying a C1 longblock, except now you have a 2.2 with more hp and tq.

You can turbo both engines. You can sleeve an H22 for forged pistons, or you can run Mahle's, I've heard good things about their pistons. So just because the H has FRM sleeves, doesn't mean you can't boost.

If it were me, I would look at first what I already had.

If the car has no engine/trans and you just want a reliable power-full stock DD - Straight H swap or H2B

If the car has no engine but you have a B trans, no brainer for me - H2B

If the car has a full B in it right now, i would just turbo what you have.

Pro's and Con's? The C1 is a 1.8 where the H22 is a 2.2. The H has the option of the H/F/B transmissions. The H will take slightly more work to get it in.

 

ok soo im not quite understanding on why a faster, more powerful motor is cheaper than buying a less powerful motor...both have same options (vtec etc...) same motor basically except one is a lil diff shaped and a 2.2Liter......but its cheaper.......the irony is killing me.....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by g0tgot &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok soo im not quite understanding on why a faster, more powerful motor is cheaper than buying a less powerful motor...both have same options (vtec etc...) same motor basically except one is a lil diff shaped and a 2.2Liter......but its cheaper.......the irony is killing me.....</TD></TR></TABLE>

Because up until now only 2 or so generations of prelude owners are buying H22's, where as you have 3 generations of civics and 3 generations of integra's that need engines. More people buy them so they drive the cost up. Simple as that.

 

i personally really like the feel of the H22 from friend swapped in a jdm h22 euro r into his 96 prelude Si when the motor blew and w/ just minor boltons he took a mustang cobra. it was very impressive, but the b18c isnt bad either, it just doesnt seem as nice imo

 

bought a used b18c1 block a little while ago. friend of mine is boring it out to a 2.2L, sleeving it, throwing in a Brian Crower stroker kit, full port/polished head and +1mm on both exhaust and intake valves...then supercharging it with a JRSC

motor was cheap as dirt from a pick your part place...and the full stroker kit only costs around $3000US...this kind of setup (also running a 98 spec jdm type r tranny) will produce WAY more power than an h22 or h2b even without the supercharger...

there are more options than you think.

 

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because its a gsr lol...

supply and demand...GSRs are more highly sought after than H22s

 

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Pretty much what I said and meant. I hate posts like this.

 

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The fact that the B rev's higher shouldn't be a factor in what engine you buy.</TD></TR></TABLE>

BS. Remember, pros+cons.