Really not sure.... I worked out that they cost roughly the same.
If i buy a turbo kit it will cost around $3000+ Tuning with hondata by MASE in the UK is around $2000

Or K20... sell my b16b for $4000 and put anohter $4000 towards the swap to get completly done.

I would be running a kit from like peakboost on 7psi on stock internals....

What would be better for power???? And want my car to pull hard at the top from around 115mph to redline in 5th gear....
What would be more fun to drive.. and faster?

 

K20 or B16B are two totally different animals what are looking to do drag, road race, or a little of both

 

more road race, but a lil drag thrown in there...
My stock b16b pulls hard to 60mph is ok till 90mph...
But i want it to pull as hard as it at 40-60 betweek 60-120mph and then keep on pulling on the top speed. Cause right now. At 120mph the minute i go into 5th gear, the car just doesnt move anywhere... And i know civics arent built for top end but i want that bit more pull. I want it to hit the rev limit in 5th gear...

HELP PLEASE!!!

 

id keep the b16b and slap a gsr or ls crank in that bitch, forged rods/pistons- stock head.... a nice turbo setup then.... get it up to about 450 whp.

it will pull hard

 

if you wanna road race motor and b road race i mean at a circuit track not street drag then the K20 is the way to go i've seen some boosted with stock internals makin around 450whp an up they are strong motors

 

if i go K, then im not going turbo... If i go B then i will prob boost the B on standard internals at first and then eventually use a GSR crank and low comp pistons and rods so i can boost a lil more.

What do you think about boosting a stock b16b on 7psi???

Also just to make clear... Its not possible to sleeve the engine.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by J1A1H &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if i go K, then im not going turbo... If i go B then i will prob boost the B on standard internals at first and then eventually use a GSR crank and low comp pistons and rods so i can boost a lil more.

What do you think about boosting a stock b16b on 7psi???

Also just to make clear... Its not possible to sleeve the engine.</TD></TR></TABLE>


i dont think you should be so set on a certain "psi" .... you can easily push 350HP out of that b16b everyday

 

get a stroked eagle crank the b16 has a lower deck height then the b18 and with the b18s longer stroke that may cause problems. also as long as you can ward off detenation you should be fine

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by J1A1H &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

What do you think about boosting a stock b16b on 7psi???

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i think you need to tell us what turbo you plan on boosting 7psi.. 7 psi on a t78 is just a little bit different than 7 psi on a t25.. i think i read somewhere that the t78 make likes 5-10 more than the t25 at 7 psi

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dturbocivic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">id keep the b16b and slap a gsr or ls crank in that bitch, forged rods/pistons- stock head.... a nice turbo setup then.... get it up to about 450 whp.

it will pull hard </TD></TR></TABLE>

I have a 450whp Integra and my buddy has a k24 with a built head that makes around 250whp NA... I'd trade him straight across ANY day of the week.

K Series all the way... No doubt about it!

 

jdmjerk... how does the k perform against your 450whp teg??? and whats his k in? EG?EK?

 

id give the da away too.

 

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I have a 450whp Integra and my buddy has a k24 with a built head that makes around 250whp NA... I'd trade him straight across ANY day of the week.

K Series all the way... No doubt about it!</TD></TR></TABLE>

That is not the first time I heard that. I know those K's allmotor are straight badass. Loan 's car does 10.9's. In a sfwd trim. That's sick. Also look at ther mph's traps. I am really thinking about going K-series. The turbo K-series I don't know about. Haven't seen them in action except for the Clutchmasters car. For me F.I. = B-series and N/A = K-series

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by J1A1H &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">jdmjerk... how does the k perform against your 450whp teg??? and whats his k in? EG?EK?</TD></TR></TABLE>
As of right now his car is faster then mine in the quarter mile. (me being a 12.72 @ 116 and I think he did 12.08 @ 112 maybe?) Of course I have excuses but thats besides the point... He'll get his this season .

In a street race from a dead stop, basically whoever gets traction wins unless we race to like 80 or 100mph then by that point the turbocharger is wining the race because I have traction. Anything from a roll, no chance the turbocharged car still wins.

His setup is in an EG and his car is COMPLETELY guted (no heater core, no interrior but door panels and dash) carbon fiber bucket seats.

My car is far from gutted; probaly weights about 500lbs more maybe? Just a guess

Either way the k is the next best technology out there. If I could turn back the hands in time I would have waited till the k came out cause my 20k bseries build would have been way killer if it was spent on a k.

Good luck with your decision but I'm still "K all the way!"

Nick


edit: yeah DAs SUCK... It was my first car and once you spend a little here and a little there your stuck with the chassis. I just tough it out!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by tony413 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">get a stroked eagle crank the b16 has a lower deck height then the b18 and with the b18s longer stroke that may cause problems. also as long as you can ward off detenation you should be fine </TD></TR></TABLE>

B16B has the same deck height as the B18 blocks

 

i would go k series. i too am building an all out motor for my integra and would trade it any day of the week for a high compression k24 hybrid. with high compression and bolt ons, you can get 300whp out of a k series.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Semnos &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

B16B has the same deck height as the B18 blocks</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

now that I have thought about it. Stay b16 and go turbo. You can make 350whp reliable with more torque than an allmotor K-series. The right quaility parts will make it very easy.

 

Im in the process working out what kit im going to for... and Im looking at peak boost right now... But im also looking at building my own kit.
Im also working out which one would cost more...

I think i will always be able to make power from my B as i would never go turbo on a K.

I would boost the standard b16b and after a while i fi need more power, which i will... I will just put a gsr crank with low comp pistons and boost it that bit more.

 

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B16B has the same deck height as the B18 blocks</TD></TR></TABLE>

I was going to say that also

The b16b is just a destroked ITR motor with some differences.

To the original poster, go k-all the way

check this out, it may swing you in the right direction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhzyBSQmb_c


Modified by willyboyK20 at 11:38 PM 3/20/2007

 

couldnt see the vid... prob with the link, repost pls i really want to see it now!

 

ok here is a k20 hatch vs. z06 (YES z06!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1gXkOqUduM

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhzyBSQmb_c

Fixed link