I have a 92 integra GS-R. I recently installed a JDM B16 XSi in April. Replaced t/b, w/p, tensioner, hondata IM gasket, valve cover & spark plug seals, cap, rotor, plug wires, ngk iridium plugs, thermostat.

It runs amazing. Zero problems. Compression is perfect. Just absolutely flawless running motor.

My quesiton is this: I can trade it straight up for a USDM B18c1 with 130,000 miles on it. Very clean. (My friend would buy the B18c1 and then trade it to me for my B16).

I would also keep my distributor, plugs, wires.

Would you trade if you were me?

Is the .2 liter difference gonna be worth it?

 

IMO, I would trade it <U>but only if</U> the B18C is in good condition (compression and leak down test).

There was a decent thread not to long ago discussing the b16 vs the b18 in a teg. Ill see if I can dig it up.

Edit - Found some links;
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1544741
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1605586
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1416936

Ali

 

theres some good discussion on the subject:

https://honda-tech.com/zero...age=2

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Teg’R’S &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">theres some good discussion on the subject:

https://honda-tech.com/zero...age=2</TD></TR></TABLE>

That is a pretty good thread, but the OP should note that (if i remember correctly) the JDM GSR has a higher compression than a USDM GSR.

Ali

 

I wouldn't do it. Mainly because you will be risking taking out a flawless engine to put in an unproven (yes, it is unproven) GSR motor. Not only is it an unproven GSR, but it is a USDM GSR. You have the OBD1 version of the Xsi B16, leave that bad boy in there.

I know what you're going through, believe me. You'll be glad in the end that you left the Xsi motor in there. Trust me!

You can rev your B16a higher, AND you will have more interchangeability of parts from various other engines such as the typer. (Hint, the GSR has its own manifold bolt patterns, etc.) Put some BC spec III+ cams in the B16, and say bye-bye to any GSR. Hell, for that matter, you'll be smoking or running side-by-side with a GSR engine in the same car as it is. You won't notice too much of a difference. And all of those rumors about low torque, give me a break. We're only talking a difference of about 10 lbs of torque. And another thing, it really isn't .2 liters difference, because the GSR isn't quite 1.8 liters.

Don't waste your time doing something that will make no difference at all. Trust me! Additionally, if your Xsi engine came with the 3.30 first gear with the 4.40 final gear, then you for damned sure had better keep the B16. I would keep it anyway, but I would surely keep it if it had the 3.30/4.40 tranny.

My advice comes from a logical point of view. Don't think that I am just throwing my opinion out onto this topic just to be heard. I am confident that you will be making a good decision by keeping your (very much awesome) Xsi engine. I (me), have thought of some sh#t before that would have been soooo awesome, but the logistics behind the idea weren't all that good. For example, I have always been itching to put the typer cams in my OBD0 B16, but logically, it would be a dumb move. The reason why it would be a logically dumb move for me to install the typer cams is because for the same money, I could install a pair of aftermarket cams with a slightly more aggressive profile. I realize that my example is a little different from your situation, but I just wanted you to understand where I am coming from.

I hope this helps! And good luck with your car no matter what decision you make, because in the end, it all depends on what makes you happy, and because it is your money that you've worked for.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by integrawow &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I wouldn't do it. Mainly because you will be risking taking out a flawless engine to put in an unproven (yes, it is unproven) GSR motor. Not only is it an unproven GSR, but it is a USDM GSR. You have the OBD1 version of the Xsi B16, leave that bad boy in there.

I know what you're going through, believe me. You'll be glad in the end that you left the Xsi motor in there. Trust me!

You can rev your B16a higher, AND you will have more interchangeability of parts from various other engines such as the typer. (Hint, the GSR has its own manifold bolt patterns, etc.) Put some BC spec III+ cams in the B16, and say bye-bye to any GSR. Hell, for that matter, you'll be smoking or running side-by-side with a GSR engine in the same car as it is. You won't notice too much of a difference. And all of those rumors about low torque, give me a break. We're only talking a difference of about 10 lbs of torque. And another thing, it really isn't .2 liters difference, because the GSR isn't quite 1.8 liters.

Don't waste your time doing something that will make no difference at all. Trust me! Additionally, if your Xsi engine came with the 3.30 first gear with the 4.40 final gear, then you for damned sure had better keep the B16. I would keep it anyway, but I would surely keep it if it had the 3.30/4.40 tranny.

My advice comes from a logical point of view. Don't think that I am just throwing my opinion out onto this topic just to be heard. I am confident that you will be making a good decision by keeping your (very much awesome) Xsi engine.

I hope this helps!</TD></TR></TABLE>

ooo this is some pretty bad and misinformed stuff..the obd of the engine makes absolutely no difference in power..And its not just 10lbs of torque...the b16 makes like 100 wtq...vs 120 wtq of a b18...You will notice the difference, and it's a substantial one...More importantly, who cares how high the engine is revving?? Would you like to see a dyno chart of an b18B NONVTEC vs a b16a??? youd cry

 

not only does a b18 have more torque than a b16, but it makes that torque earlier in the power band, where b16's tend to be very peaky motors.

 

thanks for all this great information and opinions.

I will be keeping my short geared tranny, so that wont be an issue.

Yes the JDM B16 XSi is the OBD1 Version and is 170hp/113tq (i think). The USDM B18c1 I'm looking at is 170hp/121tq. (all ratings are from hmotorsonline.com website where i bought my JDM B16 from).

My thought too is that its not gonna be worth it. I know i have a completely SOLID motor and thought about just throwing in some CTR or Skunk2 or Blox or BC cams. But the little bit of torque will be more in a B18c1 with cams etc.

Also I will be using an aftermarket IM if get the B18c1 (either Skunk2 or Blox). It's just a tough decision knowing i got something great. Is the time and work really worth the end result?

 

my motto is, if you need to think about it then don't do it.

i would keep the motor you currently have if i was you.

 

I would keep the B16. I know it must be a tough decision, but remember that you have the 170hp version, which is awesome.

I think that the time and effort that you would have to put into swapping in the GSR, would just disappoint you in the end, and you'll realize that it was very much pointless. And when the 140,000 mile GSR motor starts slowing up, you'll have to look over at your friend who has that B16 (the 170hp version B16 that is) and he will still be going strong.

Make the right decision and keep your B16.

I hope this helps!

 

I'm not sure if I have any right to voice my opinoin in this thread mainly because I have owned 4 Integras and and none of which had VTEC, but here it goes anyway: Given all aspects of the motor's condition are equal I still wouldn't do it. I just can't see the logic in taking out a perfectly running motor and swapping it for a nominal gain. The motor you have in your car is awesome. Think about it, why does your friend want the tourquless sloth that the B16 is instead of this awesome GSR?

 

Can you post some pics of your car for the hell of it? I love DA's.

 

Not telling you what to do with your car...but..

courtesy of DOHC



and thats in comparison to a B18B NON-VTEC engine

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DA9 Purist &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm not sure if I have any right to voice my opinoin in this thread mainly because I have owned 4 Integras and and none of which had VTEC, but here it goes anyway: Given all aspects of the motor's condition are equal I still wouldn't do it. I just can't see the logic in taking out a perfectly running motor and swapping it for a nominal gain. The motor you have in your car is awesome. Think about it, why does your friend want the tourquless sloth that the B16 is instead of this awesome GSR? </TD></TR></TABLE>

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DA9 Purist &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Think about it, why does your friend want the tourquless sloth that the B16 is instead of this awesome GSR? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Because he is scared that the B18c1 is gonna be ****.. and he knows mine is fast and runs great

alright, I'll post some pics

 

 

Nice car!

 

i would definitely do it if i was in your shoes. a b16 motor is just so torquless that it gets so damn annoying. guarantee you will feel that extra "umph" once u swap out to a c1. it would be even greater if u can keep the b16 tranny also

 

in my opinon, I would drop out your b16 for a JDM b18c from hmotorsonline. You'll really feel a difference with a jdm b18c compared to your b16. The jdm motor has higher CR(10.6) which yeilds higher hp and tq. And you already know that hmotors is a reputable company.

Thats just what I would do though.

 

i'm confused... why did you ditch the B17A?

but personally i would go with the B18C... and if you blew up the B17A take the PR3 head off of it, have it decked back to flat, put new valves and springs in it and run that on it...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by redDAinteg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">in my opinon, I would drop out your b16 for a JDM b18c from hmotorsonline. You'll really feel a difference with a jdm b18c compared to your b16. The jdm motor has higher CR(10.6) which yeilds higher hp and tq. And you already know that hmotors is a reputable company.

Thats just what I would do though.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I wasn't buying any motor. The only reason Im considering this is becasuse it really isnt gonna cost me anything. Just some time.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JustinG60 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i'm confused... why did you ditch the B17A?

but personally i would go with the B18C... and if you blew up the B17A take the PR3 head off of it, have it decked back to flat, put new valves and springs in it and run that on it... </TD></TR></TABLE>

i sold it for a good price.

 

I'll post some pics of mine soon.

 

Here's a few pics of my last Integra right before I sold it a few months back. I miss it soooooo much. Matt, if you see this I'll buy it back!

1990 Integra GS
Brand new, low mileage B20B(non VTEC)
S1 Transmission (no LSD )
ViS OEM Carbon fiber hood
JDM one piece head lights
15" 5Zigen FNO1R-C rims (Matte black) and Khumo Ectsta Tires
Perfect black/grey upholstery (No rips, tears, or stains

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Modified by DA9 Purist at 5:59 PM 1/1/2007

 

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if it's just gonna cost you some time, do it already!