I just recently got a 1999 civic hatch, it has a 94 gsr swap with turbo. the kid i got it off of said there was a problem with the wiring because there was no spark but i eliminated that issue and i have spark again. when i pulled the plugs out they were full of gas, so i cleaned them off and cranked it over with out them in to get all the gas out and there was so much gas coming out of those cylinder so i finally got it all out and it still won't start. i try to pop start it, it seems to start but does not. so i pull off the valve cover and look at the timing spec on the gears, the lines are like this __ l, so i would imagine that they should be like this l l, but i could be wrong, the cars been professionally tuned wen the last person has it so i don know if it was possible that maybe the people who tuned it adjusted the timing like that. so i don't know what to do at this point can someone please help me out?

 

bump. please help

 

Did you check if it was your battery or starter?

 

how did u check for spark?

 

well on a stock gsr the arows on stock cam gears are both straight up and the two marks are together left cam - - right cam , now with cam timing being adjusted a little bit on both cams the two marks shouldn't be too far apart, unless you know for sure the marks represent up, but I don't think they would do it that way.

 

yea i used a spark tester and it was getting spark, and the battery and ignition system are alright. i talked to the guy that tuned it and he sayd he didn't mess with the timing. since the timings off is it possible that the vales are bent now, even though the car was't running when it happened?????

 

The timing marks on stock cam gears are suppose to point to each other. (--> <--) Then look at the crank pulley and make sure that is aligned at the same time to the pointer on the belt cover. I believe the middle white mark?

 

yea i know what your saying but the cam gears are defnitly off i haven't checked them with the crank yet. but you think theres a good chance i bent the valves or no?

 

Yeah man, if the timing was way out of whack. I would say so. Check the gears with the crank pulley and see whats up. Use fifth gear and rock the car til its all in place.

 

or just use a wrench and turn the engine over... eitehr way get us an image after you have it all lined up of the cam gears.

my timing skipped 2 teeth and bent every valve on the exhaust side... never let someone who doesnt know hondas do your timing.

 

well today we got the number 1 cyl to top dead center which would be the cyl next to the cam gears, and the cyl on the distributer side is at the top too, so that all sounds go i would say, but the 2 inner pistons are down low but not sure if they are both even. im gonna line everything up like its suppose to be and do a compression test and hope for the best worse comes to worse i guess ill have to pull the head off and bring it to a machine shop.

 

Hey, go Pats! Arlington\ Bedford\ Brighton native.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by roadracer321 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The timing marks on stock cam gears are suppose to point to each other. (--&gt; &lt;--) Then look at the crank pulley and make sure that is aligned at the same time to the pointer on the belt cover. I believe the middle white mark?</TD></TR></TABLE>NO NO NO...

The timing marks on a GSR are as follows:

Camshaft sprockets - each one has an arrow that says "UP", along with two dimples out at the teeth. The arrows should point roughly up, but not exactly. The real marks are the dimples. They line up (all 4 of them) in a straight line along with the centers of the cam shafts. This puts 2 of the marks right alonside each other where the sprockets almost touch.

Crank pulley - There's 4 notches in the edge of the pulley, and a pointer molded into the lower timing cover. Three notches are right together, that's for SPARK timing. Camshaft timing is done with the single notch by itself to the right of the other 3. That one's TDC.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 99GSRTurbo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">... there was so much gas coming out of those cylinder...</TD></TR></TABLE>Check the FPR for a ruptured diaphragm. There shouldn't be any fuel in the FPR's vacuum line.

 

this calls for some PICTURES!! lol

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JimBlake &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">NO NO NO...

The timing marks on a GSR are as follows:

Camshaft sprockets - each one has an arrow that says "UP", along with two dimples out at the teeth. The arrows should point roughly up, but not exactly. The real marks are the dimples. They line up (all 4 of them) in a straight line along with the centers of the cam shafts. This puts 2 of the marks right alonside each other where the sprockets almost touch.

Crank pulley - There's 4 notches in the edge of the pulley, and a pointer molded into the lower timing cover. Three notches are right together, that's for SPARK timing. Camshaft timing is done with the single notch by itself to the right of the other 3. That one's TDC.
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I wasnt talking about the UP arrows, I was talking about the marks on the cam gears, which are a little notch, and should point to each other. I have the SiR-g so there isnt 4 marks, just up arrows and a notch on each cam sprocket. Then you have to line up the mark on the crank shaft pulley to the point on the belt cover, just not too sure which one it was. Its been while since I looked at it.

But yeah, obviously the arrows point up.




Modified by roadracer321 at 5:33 PM 12/21/2006

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by roadracer321 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I wasnt talking about the UP arrows...</TD></TR></TABLE>OK, good. I just over-reacted when you typed those arrows pointing towards each other.

 

hey good new i got the car running today awesome christmas present lol, i thought for sure the valves wouild be bent but there not, but just a little problem the cars running lean and the kid that had it before me didn't put all the bolts in the intake manifold so its leaking out of there and someone told me the cats probly clogged now with all that fuel in there, so im gonna replace all that and see what happens, but anyone els have any other ideas why it might run lean so i can take into consdieration, and also the turbo is working fine it boost wen its suppose to and everything so thats all good. let me know if anyone has any other ideas thanks.

 

Could be anything from a bad fuel pump, clogged fuel filter, small injectors, clogged injector filters, bad fuel maps, bad O2. Who knows... Just gotta walk through the process of elimination with the information you have ready available.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 99GSRTurbo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">... and the kid that had it before me didn't put all the bolts in the intake manifold so its leaking out of there...</TD></TR></TABLE>Or maybe it's a vacuum leak.

 

yea im almost 100%sure its the intake manifold leaking and the cat being clogged thats causing it to run lean. ill atleast do those thing and if that don help then ill check the other stuff that one of u guys mentioned