I'm unsure if there has already been a topic on this, but what would you guys suggest and this is to be more of a pro and con for each system.....feel free to say what you know and suggest. I just started writing a paper on SAFC and it looks scary for what little readings it gets. Anyways happy motoring .

 

I would never use a piggy back system. EMS is the way to go, more options if you get a good tuner.

 

if you can't wait to get a standalone, emanage ultimate is good.

 

The way I see it
You can afford a 40k car but cant pay the extra $400 for a real engine managment system???
The extra $400 is nothing compared to a new engine....

-James

 

greddy ultimate emanage. there are dynos on s2ki.net with it on a stock AP2 and the increases are shocking to say the least

 

Does HonData work on the s2k? I'm close to scoring a 2001 in yellow/blk for $12.4k soon. Inquiring minds want to know!

 

hondata came out with a reflash for the 06 but so far that is all

-James

 

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-James</TD></TR></TABLE>

I haven't looked into it for a while, but isn't it possible to rig an ECU to be modified via USB cable so it functions similar to a standalone? When I read this it was regarding the RSX and older Civic models.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JG-Fabrications &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The way I see it
You can afford a 40k car but cant pay the extra $400 for a real engine managment system???
The extra $400 is nothing compared to a new engine....

-James</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

i only have intake/exhaust and a Vafc installed on the car.. havnt gotten around to tuning it with it but its enough for me....

 

I ask because some piggybacks are good compaird to others.....I havent looked at the ems yet so I'll check that out . Im just wondering because Im doing a research paper on SAFC and got interested in compairing other systems. I hear hondata is the best for honda applications.....I havent read much on that eather . I'm probably going to get EFI 101 training after I finish college so I can tune, thats why I'm curious. Thanks again and if theres others or better ones just lt me know!!

 

I have heard (word of mouth) of people running k pro and making an adapter harness for the ecu

-James

 

What is K pro....is that a flash?

 

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kpro is the hondata ecu for the new civic SI and acura RSX - any "k-series" powered honda.

http://hondata.com/kpro.html

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JG-Fabrications &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I have heard (word of mouth) of people running k pro and making an adapter harness for the ecu

-James</TD></TR></TABLE>

you know what! that is a ******* great IDEA.... i do not see why that wouldnt work.... ummmmmmmm too bad i HATE wiring.....

 

Wiring is the easiest part dude! Tuning is something I lack and thats why Im asking about systems to do to my dream car....the days are counting down slowly

 

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i cant stand seeing wires.. i just pulled apart the harness of my Ej1 so i can extend and reroute it and i hate it.. LOL


Modified by S@nt0s at 6:23 PM 12/5/2006

 

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Man if you didnt like that then dont go in for a complete re-wiring job on your s2k like I am doing to mine (completely removing all abbs/softop/emessions from wiring harness while relocating battery/fuse box under dash where ac/heater core was and re running headlight wires through fenders) we are looking at around 40 hours minimum just in wiring
-James

 

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just be lazy like me and get the aem ems for 1300$ shipped
Why it over hondata?
hondata k pro costs 1000$
the ecu costs 200$
and add in about 10 hours of wiring that you have to go through all schematics to figure out what the hell you are doing as there are no ez how-2's on this deal

-James

 

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Man if you didnt like that then dont go in for a complete re-wiring job on your s2k like I am doing to mine (completely removing all abbs/softop/emessions from wiring harness while relocating battery/fuse box under dash where ac/heater core was and re running headlight wires through fenders) we are looking at around 40 hours minimum just in wiring
-James</TD></TR></TABLE>

hahaha im doing all that on my EJ right now....

 

lol have fun then thank god I have good friends that do that sorta biach work for me in exchange for turbo parts lol (it is awsome I still make them pay material I exchange 10 hours of labor for 40 + lol)

 

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LOL.. i should start making them myself since im a welder....

 

Amazingly I find wiring easy now, its just finding the best place to put it all thats annoying lol. Useing a scematic is only part of what you really have to know, so the rest is finding the best place to splice or get to what your after. I havent done my own harness yet but I can see what you guys mean when its out of the car and trying to piece it back together lol. Anyways I'll look at EMS when I get to that . Thanks guys!

 

Has any had experience wth the new Apexi VAFC Neo (the color model i think its the neo) Is that any good for someone trying to save money?

 

I already posted my idea on the subject read above^^^

-James