Hi guys! I was hoping for a bit of advice and input on my turbo prelude build parts list.

Turbo kit - Turbonetics Tuner Kit (http://www.turbo-kits.com/prelude_turbo_kits.html) on offer free BB upgrade
Injectors - 550 RC
Fuel Pump - Walbro

??? Management - Hondata S200 or a Chrome type setup???
??? Headgasket - Cometic? But what thickness. Shall I use standard thickness with low comp pistons?
??? Pistons - What compression ratio do I want; 8:1 9:1 9.5:1? What bore - standard 87mm or 1mm O/S 88mm?
??? Rods - Eagle seem cool - will they do?
??? FPR and Fuel Rail - Do I need aftermarket ones?
??? 3 inch Exhaust - Where can I get hold of one? They all seem to be 2.5"...
??? Cams - Do I need aftermakret ones?
??? Valve Springs and Retainers - Do I need aftermakret ones?
??? Headwork - I was figuring just porting the head and inlet manifold?

Does anyone use water feeds for thier turbos or just oil? And where do they plumb in?

First things first, do people think the turbonetics kits is up to the job? I don't know much about the T3/T04 turbo; will it flow enough for 350-400bhp and at what boost? I was originally going to use a GT2871R, but nobody will sell me it with a kit

I guess 550cc injectors will be fine but i would like to know what type of injectors are they and what impedance?

The other major thing i can't decide upon is the management. I am considering a hondata; although i don't know which to get, the 200? Am I right in thinking that my car has an OBD1 P13 ECU? So I will need a socketted and chipped P28 ECU?

On the Cam and valve gear front, i have read so much conflicting info on them. What are peoples opinions?

Hope someone can help!

 

i guess i'll just go down the list and give you my oppinion.....

management - either will work, I used hondata s200 never had a problem (but make sure there is a tuner that is able to tune which ever management you decide on)

Headgasket - OEM

Pistons - 9:1 is common for FI - I would go with standard bore because if you screw up a piston you can machine it out and not have to resleeve (if you go with forged pistons you should sleeve the engine.. some say Mahle pistons will work but I'd just sleeve it anyway to be safe)

rods - eagle will work fine for that HP level

FPR & Fuel Rail - I would get an aftermarket FPR, the fuel rail shouldn't be required

Exhaust - you can either go custom (buy mandrel bends and have a shop make one or I forget his name but there is a guy on here that sells a 3" for ludes.

cams - stock will do

valve springs - depending on if you plan on increasing the redline but they can't hurt

headwork - you can make 350-400 with out it

if your turbo has water feeds just tap into the line below the trottle body. For the oil I T-ed the oil pressure sensor at the back fo the block.

I used the F-max kit (with t3/t4E 60 trim .63 a/r) to make 370 hp but a 60-1 might work better for you

oh yeah if you're going to make that much power I would also suggest a boost controler.. manual ones work fine for that but if you're interested I have an AVC-R for sale and if you havn't purchased you fuel pump yet I have a walbro 255 lph HP and an AEM FPR for sale....

hope this helps

 

hi mate,
thanks for the input! How much are you after for the AVCR, FPR and walbro?

They would need shipping to the UK too

Whats the OEM headgasket made from? Is it multi layer steel? I didn't realise they were good enough for turbo applications...

 

Check out my site to get some idea's on the set-ups I've done.

http://www.av-engineered.com

Chrome is junk. Run hondata. Also... a 'kit' is a waste of money. I would suggest a set-up that is semi-custom.

 

where in the uk ru from liquidsmoke?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by liquidsmoke &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hi guys! I was hoping for a bit of advice and input on my turbo prelude build parts list.

Turbo kit - Turbonetics Tuner Kit (http://www.turbo-kits.com/prelude_turbo_kits.html) on offer free BB upgrade not sure what turbo it comes with but i would go at least a 60-1 preffer a gt35e
Injectors - 550 RC id go bigger
Fuel Pump - Walbroshould work fine

??? Management - Hondata S200 or a Chrome type setup???alot of people make mistakes here it all depends on who is going to tune your car and what they preffer unless you sre doing it your self
??? Headgasket - Cometic? But what thickness. Shall I use standard thickness with low comp pistons?standard cometic
??? Pistons - What compression ratio do I want; 8:1 9:1 9.5:1? What bore - standard 87mm or 1mm O/S 88mm?guessing the motor has no original probs 9.5;1 87mm
??? Rods - Eagle seem cool - will they do?not fond of eagle but they will do
??? FPR and Fuel Rail - Do I need aftermarket ones?id go aftermarket
??? 3 inch Exhaust - Where can I get hold of one? They all seem to be 2.5"...3" contact k-teller
??? Cams - Do I need aftermakret ones?no
??? Valve Springs and Retainers - Do I need aftermakret ones?id go with valves springs and retainers
??? Headwork - I was figuring just porting the head and inlet manifold?the bone stock head will make the numbers you want easy

Does anyone use water feeds for thier turbos or just oil? And where do they plumb in?

First things first, do people think the turbonetics kits is up to the job? I don't know much about the T3/T04 turbo; will it flow enough for 350-400bhp and at what boost? I was originally going to use a GT2871R, but nobody will sell me it with a kit

I guess 550cc injectors will be fine but i would like to know what type of injectors are they and what impedance?

The other major thing i can't decide upon is the management. I am considering a hondata; although i don't know which to get, the 200? Am I right in thinking that my car has an OBD1 P13 ECU? So I will need a socketted and chipped P28 ECU?

On the Cam and valve gear front, i have read so much conflicting info on them. What are peoples opinions?

Hope someone can help! </TD></TR></TABLE>

 

Gt35r for 350-400whp? Overkill. The efficiency range of the turbo won't even be close to being met. Go with a 60-1 or a sc61 turbo... that will be just fine.

1000cc injectors

hondata s300 ems

Nobody makes 9.5:1 87mm's. They are either 9.0 or 10.0:1 for turbo applications. If you are a retard then run the 11.0:1's.

If you go with eagle rods, make sure you get the h22a1 style instead of the h22a4 ones even if you have an a4. The a1 uses the 3/8" rod bolt.

 

i possibly have a TON of h22 turbo stuff for sale. im me if you need all kinds of stuff........fuel, turbo, piping, internals......etc.

 

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ChrisRicketts did you abandon your project???I see you selling all your parts

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PrecisionH23a &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Gt35r for 350-400whp? Overkill. The efficiency range of the turbo won't even be close to being met. Go with a 60-1 or a sc61 turbo... that will be just fine.[B]gt35Ewith the gt35e and basicallythe setup described above i made 405whp at 14psi on pump gas and the setup made 525 whp at 22psi on race gas with this turbo if you get bored just put race gas in and turn up the boost!!! the h22 will man handle the 60-1 to small imo for the price of that turbo and the gt35e gt35e ownz[b/]
1000cc injectors

hondata s300 ems

Nobody makes 9.5:1 87mm's. They are either 9.0 or 10.0:1 for turbo applications. If you are a retard then run the 11.0:1's.cp makes 9.5 87mm pistons slightly more then the 9.0 but well worth it imo

If you go with eagle rods, make sure you get the h22a1 style instead of the h22a4 ones even if you have an a4. The a1 uses the 3/8" rod bolt.</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

Yea and a gt4088 will own the gt35r. I have worked with many gt35r setups and yes they make a lot of power, we all know that. But not everyone wants a 2-3k powerband on a car that's only looking for 350-400Whp. Plus at 14psi you are nowhere close to the turbos efficiency range. Overkill. Plain and simple.

I would suggest running a smaller turbo and higher boost. The more area under the curve (dyno hp) the better (for street cars at least to a certain extent).

 

and the gt4067 ownz the gt4088 but thats besides the point he asked for a good turbo for 350-400 whp i recomend the gt 35 eeeeeeeeeeeee not rrrr the reason i say gt35e is cause i think it is the best bang for the buck if you are buying a cheap mid sized turbo if you are going to buy a 60-1 ya mite as well get the 35e pretty much the same price also judging this on a t3 flange

 

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ChrisRicketts did you abandon your project???I see you selling all your parts</TD></TR></TABLE>

yes, abandoned.....i got it running and then had troubles, and now i need cash to finish school up. there will be a supra in the next year of my life though, i'm confident.

 

If you don'd mind, could you post up your dyno graph using the gt35r at the boost levels you had it tuned for? I'd just like to check it out compared to a few other cars that I've worked with.

 

How would powerband look in the 350-400hp range with 60-1 (H22 9:1)? When would it start spooling?

 

Like this:



This is actually a bad chart. We had big problems with break-up as well as humidity was at 65% that day with 100 deg outside air temp.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PrecisionH23a &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Like this:



This is actually a bad chart. We had big problems with break-up as well as humidity was at 65% that day with 100 deg outside air temp.</TD></TR></TABLE>

was that tuned with hondata?

 

Yes, s200b. Again, that is a really bad chart.

 

chrisricketts - I have posted in your for sale thread

thanks for the info everyone!

The turbo which comes with the turbonetics kit is the T3/T04B H trim Stage III .63 A/R - looking on thier site it doesnt look too bad but i still prefer garrett's. How does this compare with the 60-1? Does anyone have a link so i can take a look at some specs for the 60-1 turbo?

 

actually, no i havent posted on your thread because it wont allow me to email sent...

where in the uk ru from liquidsmoke?
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