Decided to go NA instead of FI...Just curious what all is needed to go to ITB's...Larger injectors, fuel pump, hondata s300 (or something similar),is this all? Can these be installed without being tuned to a week or so? What size would you recommend for B16b. It will be my daily driven weekend warrior car. I have read all posts in the archived search and nothing on what all is needed.

 

Just curious why you want to do itb's?

 

Was just doing research. No final descisions yet. I've heard good things about their throttle responce and mid range. Since you know what a 16b is all about you know there could be a little more in the middle. After 6k though its a blast. I did have a question for you though how do you like your RM 22xx's did you do their full valve train or just cams? Why did you decide on the 22's and not the 24's?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Stroked B16b-EJ8 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Was just doing research. No final descisions yet. I've heard good things about their throttle responce and mid range. Since you know what a 16b is all about you know there could be a little more in the middle. After 6k though its a blast. I did have a question for you though how do you like your RM 22xx's did you do their full valve train or just cams? Why did you decide on the 22's and not the 24's?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Even the M22x is large on a 1.6 motor, they are designed for a performance 1.8l. Both the xx and the M24 would be overkill

 

Personally, I think I'd port the head and cam it before doing ITBs. Just my .02.

 

Thanks ramen...i think thats the rout im going to go for now...

 

When I bought my motor, I was 99% set on doing Jun 3's. I had personally seen many people have awesome results with them and I knew they would produce power(I have yet to see them not do so.). However, I had heard of the infamous "bad batch" of cams and them sometimes breaking and that made me very uneasy, plus the fact that they cost around 1k and then you still hafta buy valvesprings. I was introduced to Rockets line of product then and was told of the charecteristics of the M22x. Now, call me a ricer...I don't care, but I love the feel of a vtec engagement and a really hard pulling top end - hence the reason why I bought a B16b over a gsr motor. The M22x isn't the most midrange producing power cam profile out there, I mean it holds it's own, however if you have the displacement and compression, thats where the M22xx is cool and will produce your strong midrange. But back to my motor.

The B16b doesn't have **** for torque, so I thought "Why try to improve on an area where the motor will never shine unless I stroke it?" Instead I took what the motor was good at and improved upon it, giving it a STRONG top end. So thats why I went with the M22x, they are bigger than a Jun 3 or a S2S2 and fit the charecteristics of my motor very well. They idle very close to stock(which I wanted), are made of proven treated Crower blanks so you know they are of quality, and Rocket is one of the coolest guys with awesome customer service. What made me bite on the RM gen 2 valvetrain was the simple fact that Tbone had been running them with the largest cams(S2S3/Pro1-2-3/Toda C/Jun4 etc.) and never once dropped a valve. He dyno'd a ton of different cams, many times up to 10k without changing valvetrain. Thats saying something, and that was good enough proof for me.

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I agree, you won't ever see my reccommend a M22x for a B16a unless it's 12+ compression with headwork and a good header, then it's game over. I would hope that people don't think I hype the RM product line, I speak truth and am honest with everyone. I also like the Skunk Pro series cams allot, but I mention the RM line when I think they would fit the motor application best. Hope this answered some questions

 

when the time comes, ill pick the m22xx.

back to the thread, ill look into a ported itr manifold instead of itbs

 

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Wise decision

 

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wait for the omni itbs to come out. if the price and dyno is right, go for those instead. if you cant wait, ported p73 is the way to go

 

Just like with anything I've heard mixed reviews about the Omni ITB's. A ported IM seems to be a consistent power producer, and doesn't have the negative hassels that come along with ITB's.